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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org> wrote:
> Block space created by a miner is property that belongs to the miner, it
> can be sold or not sold.
That case would be stronger when there is no more subsidy, but we
collectively the uses of Bitcoin are currently paying miners around
$130k USD per block in the form of inflation for the job of honestly
complying with the Bitcoin protocol.
I don't think you can argue that they have any more right to do that
than any of us have a right to run software that invalidates their
coinbase outputs when they do; which would be the sort of retaliation
they might get targeted with.
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