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> b) "Creation date" is just a short-term hack.
>

I agree, but we need things to be easy in the short term as well as the
long term :)

The long term solution is clearly to have the 12 word seed be an encryption
key for a wallet backup with all associated metadata. We're heading in that
direction one step at a time. Unfortunately it will take time for wallets
to start working this way, and all the pieces to fall into place. Restoring
from the block chain will be a semi regular operation for users until then.

WRT version number I have no real strong feelings about this. But
representing short pieces of binary data as words is so convenient, it
seems likely that it could be similar to addresses: people find other uses
for this mechanism beyond just storing a raw private key. Bitcoin addresses
have versions and that's proven to be useful several times, even though in
theory an address is "just" a hash of a pubkey.

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rm hack. <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agr=
ee, but we need things to be easy in the short term as well as the long ter=
m :)=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The long term solution is clearly to ha=
ve the 12 word seed be an encryption key for a wallet backup with all assoc=
iated metadata. We&#39;re heading in that direction one step at a time. Unf=
ortunately it will take time for wallets to start working this way, and all=
 the pieces to fall into place. Restoring from the block chain will be a se=
mi regular operation for users until then.</div><div><br></div><div>WRT ver=
sion number I have no real strong feelings about this. But representing sho=
rt pieces of binary data as words is so convenient, it seems likely that it=
 could be similar to addresses: people find other uses for this mechanism b=
eyond just storing a raw private key. Bitcoin addresses have versions and t=
hat&#39;s proven to be useful several times, even though in theory an addre=
ss is &quot;just&quot; a hash of a pubkey.</div></div></div></div>

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