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On Oct 2, 2015 10:03 AM, "Daniele Pinna via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> should an algorithm that guarantees protection from ASIC/FPGA
optimization be found.

This is demonstrably impossible: anything that can be done with software
can be done with hardware. This is computer science 101.
And specialized hardware can always be more efficient, at least
energy-wise.

On the other hand, BIP99 explicitly contemplates "anti-miner hardforks"
(obviously not for so called "ASIC-resistance" [an absurd term coined to
promote some altcoins], but just for restarting the ASIC and mining market
in case mining becomes too centralized).

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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Oct 2, 2015 10:03 AM, &quot;Daniele Pinna via bitcoin-dev&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linu=
xfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; should an algorithm that guarantees protection from ASIC/FPGA optimiza=
tion be found.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">This is demonstrably impossible: anything that can be done w=
ith software can be done with hardware. This is computer science 101.<br>
And specialized hardware can always be more efficient, at least energy-wise=
. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">On the other hand, BIP99 explicitly contemplates &quot;anti-=
miner hardforks&quot; (obviously not for so called &quot;ASIC-resistance&qu=
ot; [an absurd term coined to promote some altcoins], but just for restarti=
ng the ASIC and mining market in case mining becomes too centralized).</p>

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