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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: A "Free" Relay Attack Taking Advantage of The
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:57:40PM -0700, /dev /fd0 wrote:
> Hi Antoine,
>
> > I'm interested if you can propose a formal or mathematical definition of
> what constitute
> > an in-topic of off-topic comments on a matters like full RBF, which has
> been controversial
> > for like a decade.
>
> I will quote _willcl-ark_'s last comment as I do not have enough
> permissions in bitcoin core repository to moderate comments:
>
> "However the comments section here has become difficult to follow due to
> numerous off-topic comments, a few personal disagreements, and repetition
> of arguments. In the interest of having a more productive and focused
> technical and philosophical discussion we are going to close and lock this
> PR."
>
> A new pull request should help reviewers. If you do not agree with it, feel
> free to discuss it with moderators in bitcoin core IRC channel.
It's quite bizzare to use "off topic comments" as an excuse to close a pull-req
fixing a specific security vulnerability, assuming you actually care about that
vulnerability. As I've said elsewhere, Core could have easily and quietly
merged that pull-req as-is, possibly by having a few people write some obvious
ACK rationals.
The only good explanation for closing it is to further delay merging the
pull-req, as well as disclosing the vulnerability.
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