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The comment brigade on the OPRETURN pull requests has gotten out of hand an=
d I think we should consider adding a new process step for policy changes. =
The problem is that many users are not participating in the mailing list di=
scussion and so the first time they hear about a policy change is on twitte=
r, where it may feel like it is too late to do anything about it, and users=
 feel disenfranchised. The result is a brigade of comments that are fast, p=
oorly thought out, uninformed, and repetitive.

[https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32359](https://github.com/bitcoin/=
bitcoin/pull/32359#issuecomment-2839926151)

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32381

meta: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/meta/discussions/18

It might still be possible to try this for OPRETURN policy or if not, I'd r=
eally like to try this the next time a policy change or other controversial=
 code change comes up -- anything where "concept ACK" is not a sufficient t=
echnical pull request review comment:

What I think we need is a second step between the mailing list and the pull=
 request. GitHub "discussions" are probably the best format for this, eithe=
r in bitcoin-core/meta or bitcoin/bitcoin.

Taking a hint from Russ' comment in /meta#18, the discussion could be opene=
d with position statements listing all the pro's and con's and most importa=
ntly, FAQs and busting myths like "bigger opreturns make it harder to run a=
 full node".

The discussion should actually probably have a click bait title, so the lin=
k burns through twitter like wildfire. The whole point is to attract commun=
ity members to a source of INFORMATION.

And then, after a weekend when the social media storm has rolled over, a ni=
ce quiet mature pull request review might be possible.

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<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The comment brigade on the =
OPRETURN pull requests has gotten out of hand and I think we should conside=
r adding a new process step for policy changes. The problem is that many us=
ers are not participating in the mailing list discussion and so the first t=
ime they hear about a policy change is on twitter, where it may feel like i=
t is too late to do anything about it, and users feel disenfranchised. The =
result is a brigade of comments that are fast, poorly thought out, uninform=
ed, and repetitive.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font=
-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b=
r></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; colo=
r: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span><a target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener" href=3D"https://github.com/bit=
coin/bitcoin/pull/32359#issuecomment-2839926151">https://github.com/bitcoin=
/bitcoin/pull/32359</a><br></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255,=
 255, 255);"><span><span><a target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow no=
opener" href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32381">https://gith=
ub.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32381</a></span><br></span></div><div style=3D"=
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backg=
round-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">meta: <span><a target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer nofollow noopener" href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin-core/meta/d=
iscussions/18">https://github.com/bitcoin-core/meta/discussions/18</a></spa=
n><span></span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></=
div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: r=
gb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It might still be possi=
ble to try this for OPRETURN policy or if not, I'd really like to try this =
the next time a policy change or other controversial code change comes up -=
- anything where "concept ACK" is not a sufficient technical pull request r=
eview comment:</div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size=
: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">What I think we need is =
a second step between the mailing list and the pull request. GitHub "discus=
sions" are probably the best format for this, either in bitcoin-core/meta o=
r bitcoin/bitcoin. <br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);=
"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Taking a hint f=
rom Russ' comment in /meta#18, the discussion could be opened with position=
 statements listing all the pro's and con's and most importantly, FAQs and =
busting myths like "bigger opreturns make it harder to run a full node".</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style=3D"=
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backg=
round-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The discussion should actually probably h=
ave a click bait title, so the link burns through twitter like wildfire. Th=
e whole point is to attract community members to a source of INFORMATION.</=
div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: r=
gb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); back=
ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">And then, after a weekend when the socia=
l media storm has rolled over, a nice quiet mature pull request review migh=
t be possible.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size=
: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></d=
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