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I think that bitcoin.org should remain apolitical. However maybe it
would be good if the blackout to take effect on bitcointalk.org if
theymos and Sirius believes it is appropriate.
Bitcoin.org should provide bitcoin.
On 17/01/2012 11:59 AM, slush wrote:
> > I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.
>
> I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/homepage into some
> political agitation. Not everybody care about political attitude of
> main project developers.
>
> slush
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com
> <mailto:etotheipi@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You guys are representing both extremes of the issue. In response
> to Jeff and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is /just any other
> poltical issue/. It strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin is
> about. Barring Bitcoin-specific legislation, I don't see how any
> legislation could be more relevant to Bitcoin and the community
> around it.
>
> On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and shouldn't
> get in the business of making statements. A central voice for
> Bitcoin gives the impression that it is actually centralized, and
> one that has opinions. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some,
> heavily-invested Bitcoin users were of the opinion that
> SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be a huge profit for themselves: once
> SOPA kicks in and businesses around the world start getting cut
> off for legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could
> potentially switch to Bitcoin to keep their business going. That
> could be a huge boon for Bitcoin. You may not agree it's worth
> the tradeoff, but people are selfish and may not actually
> understand or even care about SOPA legislation itself.
>
> I think it's /not inappropriate/ for something to be mentioned on
> the website about Bitcoin's philosophy being threatened by SOPA,
> but I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political
> stands. Users could be reminded that SOPA affects yet another
> thing they care about, but it might be better to avoid it
> altogether. If any response is made, it should be a very light one.
>
> -Alan
>
>
>
> On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly.
>>
>> Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin ever does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or seen the genesis block quote.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action
>>
>> The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin should do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan and Wikipedia.
>>
>> It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another issue or case of moral alarm. Sad.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeff Garzik<jgarzik@exmulti.com> <mailto:jgarzik@exmulti.com>
>> To: Amir Taaki<zgenjix@yahoo.com> <mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com>
>> Cc:"bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development]bitcoin.org <http://bitcoin.org> SOPA/PIPA blackout
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki<zgenjix@yahoo.com> <mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> How is this not the most important world issue right now?
>>>
>>> EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage.
>>>
>>> Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. World, go scream at the US embassy.
>> There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would
>> rather thatbitcoin.org <http://bitcoin.org> stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate
>> this in the long run.
>>
>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that bitcoin.org should remain
apolitical.
However maybe it would be good if the blackout to take effect on
bitcointalk.org
if theymos and Sirius believes it is appropriate.<o:p></o:p><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bitcoin.org should provide bitcoin.<br>
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On 17/01/2012 11:59 AM, slush wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAJna-HjMSvnJxXnnvC_mGEsHNX=7yaDU3W22P8LwbbbuX2dEvQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">> I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold
political stands.
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<div>I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/homepage
into some political agitation. Not everybody care about
political attitude of main project developers.</div>
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<div>slush<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan
Reiner <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:etotheipi@gmail.com">etotheipi@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> You guys are
representing both extremes of the issue. In response to
Jeff and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is <i>just any
other poltical issue</i>. It strikes at the heart of
everything Bitcoin is about. Barring Bitcoin-specific
legislation, I don't see how any legislation could be more
relevant to Bitcoin and the community around it.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and
shouldn't get in the business of making statements. A
central voice for Bitcoin gives the impression that it is
actually centralized, and one that has opinions. Plus I
wouldn't be surprised if some, heavily-invested Bitcoin
users were of the opinion that SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be
a huge profit for themselves: once SOPA kicks in and
businesses around the world start getting cut off for
legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could
potentially switch to Bitcoin to keep their business
going. That could be a huge boon for Bitcoin. You may
not agree it's worth the tradeoff, but people are selfish
and may not actually understand or even care about SOPA
legislation itself.<br>
<br>
I think it's <i>not inappropriate</i> for something to be
mentioned on the website about Bitcoin's philosophy being
threatened by SOPA, but I agree Bitcoin should avoid
making any bold political stands. Users could be reminded
that SOPA affects yet another thing they care about, but
it might be better to avoid it altogether. If any
response is made, it should be a very light one.<span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-Alan</font></span>
<div class="im"><br>
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On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly.
Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin ever does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or seen the genesis block quote.
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action</a>
The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin should do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan and Wikipedia.
It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another issue or case of moral alarm. Sad.
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To: Amir Taaki <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><zgenjix@yahoo.com></a>
Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">"bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net"</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target="_blank"><bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net></a>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://bitcoin.org" target="_blank">bitcoin.org</a> SOPA/PIPA blackout
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><zgenjix@yahoo.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>How is this not the most important world issue right now?
EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage.
Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. World, go scream at the US embassy.
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<pre>There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would
rather that <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://bitcoin.org" target="_blank">bitcoin.org</a> stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate
this in the long run.
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