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I highly disagree about the "not shit" part=2E You're advocating for throw=
ing away one of the key features of Segwit, something that is very importan=
t for Bitcoin's long-term reliability! If you think doing so is going to so=
mehow help get support in a divided community, I don't understand how - mor=
e likely you're only going to make things significantly worse=2E
On May 10, 2017 11:25:27 AM EDT, Sergio Demian Lerner <sergio=2Ed=2Elerner=
@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
>Jaja=2E But no shit=2E Not perfect maybe, but Bitcoin was never perfect=
=2E It
>has
>always been good enough=2E And at the beginning it was quite simple=2E
>Simple
>enough it allowed gradual improvements that anyone with some technical
>background could understand=2E Now we need a full website to explain an
>improvement=2E
>But this is becoming more and more out of topic=2E
>
>
>On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Matt Corallo
><lf-lists@mattcorallo=2Ecom>
>wrote:
>
>> I'm highly unconvinced of this point=2E Sure, you can change fewer
>lines
>> of code, but if the result is, lets be honest, shit, how do you
>believe
>> its going to have a higher chance of getting acceptance from the
>broader
>> community? I think you're over-optimizing in the wrong direction=2E
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On 05/09/17 20:58, Sergio Demian Lerner wrote:
>> > I agree with you Matt=2E
>> > I'm artificially limiting myself to changing the parameters of
>Segwit as
>> > it is=2E=2E
>> >
>> > This is motivated by the idea that a consensual HF in the current
>state
>> > would have greater chance of acceptance if it changes the minimum
>number
>> > of lines of code=2E
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph=2Eorg
>> > <mailto:greg@xiph=2Eorg>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Matt Corallo
>> > <lf-lists@mattcorallo=2Ecom <mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo=2Ecom>>
>wrote:
>> > > at beast=2E
>> >
>> > Rawr=2E
>> >
>> >
>>
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