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Is this the same as proof of burn?
On Apr 5, 2017 5:28 PM, "Mirelo via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> With the feedback on Proof-of-Loss (always privately to my email), I
> realized the article was hard to understand for lacking:
>
> * A more explicit definition of transaction rights.
> * An overview of how the algorithm works.
>
> As an abstract could not contain all that, I wrote an introduction with
> examples.
>
> I also adopted a suggestion of including the current block height in the
> proof-of-loss data once I realized:
>
> * Preventing the same proof-of-loss from chaining consecutive blocks was
> not the purpose of the proof-of-loss context, which did it statistically
> rather than logically.
> * The presence of that height in the block header made serial chaining
> easier to enforce, by removing the need to include additional block height
> information.
>
> While revising the algorithm, I made some corrections, mainly to:
>
> * Transaction prioritization (which now uses fees instead of rights).
> * Inactivity fees.
>
> Finally, the new version more aptly derives the design and often has
> better wording.
>
> The new text is available at:
>
> https://proof-of-loss.money/
>
> Mirelo
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Proof-of-Loss
> Local Time: February 4, 2017 10:39 AM
> UTC Time: February 4, 2017 12:39 PM
> From: mirelo@deugh-ausgam-valis.com
> To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <bitcoin-dev@lists.
> linuxfoundation.org>
>
> An alternative consensus algorithm to both proof-of-work and
> proof-of-stake, *proof-of-loss* addresses all their deficiencies,
> including the lack of an organic block size limit, the risks of mining
> centralization, and the "nothing at stake" problem:
>
> *https://proof-of-loss.money/ <https://proof-of-loss.money/>*
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Is this the same as proof of burn?</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 5, 2017 5:28 PM, "Mire=
lo via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfound=
ation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"=
attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>With the feedback on Proof=
-of-Loss (always privately to my email), I realized the article was hard to=
understand for lacking:<br></div><div><br></div><div>* A more explicit def=
inition of transaction rights.<br></div><div>* An overview of how the algor=
ithm works.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As an abstract could not contain a=
ll that, I wrote an introduction with examples.<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>I also adopted a suggestion of including the current block height in the =
proof-of-loss data once I realized:<br></div><div><br></div><div>* Preventi=
ng the same proof-of-loss from chaining consecutive blocks was not the purp=
ose of the proof-of-loss context, which did it statistically rather than lo=
gically.<br></div><div>* The presence of that height in the block header ma=
de serial chaining easier to enforce, by removing the need to include addit=
ional block height information.<br></div><div><br></div><div>While revising=
the algorithm, I made some corrections, mainly to:<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>* Transaction prioritization (which now uses fees instead of rights).=
<br></div><div>* Inactivity fees.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Finally, the=
new version more aptly derives the design and often has better wording.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>The new text is available at:<br></div><div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"https://proof-of-loss.money/" target=3D"_blank">https=
://proof-of-loss.money/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mirelo<br></div><d=
iv class=3D"m_668062992116529043protonmail_signature_block m_66806299211652=
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otonmail_quote" type=3D"cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></=
div><div>Subject: Proof-of-Loss<br></div><div>Local Time: February 4, 2017 =
10:39 AM<br></div><div>UTC Time: February 4, 2017 12:39 PM<br></div><div>Fr=
om: <a href=3D"mailto:mirelo@deugh-ausgam-valis.com" target=3D"_blank">mire=
lo@deugh-ausgam-valis.com</a><br></div><div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-d=
ev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linu=
xfoundation.org</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a>><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>An alternative consensus algorithm to both pro=
of-of-work and proof-of-stake, <b>proof-of-loss</b> addresses all their def=
iciencies, including the lack of an organic=20
block size limit, the risks of mining centralization, and the "nothing=
=20
at stake" problem:<br></div><div><br></div><div><b><a class=3D"m_66806=
2992116529043ul" href=3D"https://proof-of-loss.money/" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
follow noopener" target=3D"_blank">https://proof-of-loss.money/</a></b><br>=
</div><div class=3D"m_668062992116529043protonmail_signature_block-empty"><=
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gnature_block-empty"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><br>____________=
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