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Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being =
governed by those who are dumber.
- Plato
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com =
<mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Alex,
>=20
> With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin =
is not technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to =
technical discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is =
resolved, even technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=
=99s little chance of actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6w=
hich in a space where everything depends on consensus pretty much makes =
everything else moot.
>=20
>> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev =
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org =
<mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>=20
>> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs =
would sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just =
say it from myself.
>>=20
>> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months =
regarding a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer =
volume of email and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical =
than technical has rendered this list almost unusable for its primary =
purpose of technical discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of =
us share the blame for letting the discourse run off topic to such a =
degree, and we hope that an appeal for individual self restraint will =
allow this list to return to a higher signal-to-noise ratio.
>> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to =
technical development before sending it.
>> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list =
regarding the same topic.
>> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on =
the philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may =
be worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every =
email you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their =
time as much as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really =
the majority of them, perhaps private communication would be more =
appropriate.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>=20
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(24, 24, 24); =
font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 14px; =
line-height: 18px;" class=3D"">Those who are too smart to engage in =
politics are punished by being governed by those who are =
dumber.</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(24, 24, =
24); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 14px; =
line-height: 18px;" class=3D"">- Plato</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(24, 24, 24); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New =
Roman', serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"" class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, =
Eric Lombrozo <<a href=3D"mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Alex,<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With all due respect, =
right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin is not technical but =
political. I would love to see this list go back to technical =
discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved, =
even technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s =
little chance of actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which =
in a space where everything depends on consensus pretty much makes =
everything else moot.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug =
19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" =
class=3D"">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the =
core devs would sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. =
So I'll just say it from myself.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D"">There =
has been a valuable discussion over the last several months regarding a =
hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer volume of =
email and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than =
technical has rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose =
of technical discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of us =
share the blame for letting the discourse run off topic to such a =
degree, and we hope that an appeal for individual self restraint will =
allow this list to return to a higher signal-to-noise ratio.</div><div =
style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D"">-Please consider the =
degree to which any email you send is related to technical development =
before sending it.</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" =
class=3D"">-Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list =
regarding the same topic.</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"=
class=3D"">This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth =
debate on the philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although =
such a debate may be worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for =
discussion. Every email you send is received by hundreds of =
developers who value their time as much as you value yours. If =
your intended audience isn't really the majority of them, perhaps =
private communication would be more appropriate. </div></div><div =
style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" =
class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" =
class=3D"">Alex</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div>
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