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Hello ,
Thanks for the correction - it however boils down to the same principle :
diluting other holders, possibly excessively, if you miscalculate the coins
"lost".
Which boils down to the same question again : How would you definitively
know that coins are "lost" or simply not accessed for x amount of time?
Regards,
thenoblebot
On Sat, 9 Jul, 2022, 9:48 pm Peter Todd, <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 09:43:49PM +0400, naman naman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This approach raises the obvious question : If someone hasn't had access
> to
> > their coins in a long time (yrs, decades, however you want to define it)
> -
> > and they wish to access/move them after such a time - isn't your proposal
> > simply taking away their ability to do so? Some might call it : stealing
> > their coins.
> >
> > How does one conclusively prove that "lost" coins are "lost forever"?
>
> Re-read the article:
> https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflationary
>
> It has nothing to do with re-assigning ownership of coins.
>
> --
> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hello ,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Thanks for the correction - it however boils down to the same principle :=
diluting other holders, possibly excessively, if you miscalculate the coin=
s "lost".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Whic=
h boils down to the same question again : How would you definitively know t=
hat coins are "lost" or simply not accessed for x amount of time?=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,=C2=A0</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">thenoblebot=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 9 Jul, 2022, 9:48 pm Peter To=
dd, <<a href=3D"mailto:pete@petertodd.org">pete@petertodd.org</a>> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 09:43:=
49PM +0400, naman naman wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> This approach raises the obvious question : If someone hasn't had =
access to<br>
> their coins in a long time (yrs, decades, however you want to define i=
t) -<br>
> and they wish to access/move them after such a time - isn't your p=
roposal<br>
> simply taking away their ability to do so? Some might call it : steali=
ng<br>
> their coins.<br>
> <br>
> How does one conclusively prove that "lost" coins are "=
lost forever"?<br>
<br>
Re-read the article: <a href=3D"https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tai=
l-emission-is-not-inflationary" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflation=
ary</a><br>
<br>
It has nothing to do with re-assigning ownership of coins.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<a href=3D"https://petertodd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://petertodd.org</a> 'peter'[:-1]@<a href=3D"http://pet=
ertodd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">petertodd.org</=
a><br>
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