summaryrefslogtreecommitdiff
path: root/13/273b5215acda588b2fecba8f3d60f4378643b7
blob: 7b01e6169004e5c1bf2637126f514494259c771e (plain)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
Return-Path: <pete@petertodd.org>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
	[172.17.192.35])
	by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B92991A
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:01:35 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from outmail149055.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail149055.authsmtp.co.uk
	[62.13.149.55])
	by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76822FE
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:01:34 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235])
	by punt17.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t7M01XMx065442;
	Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:01:33 +0100 (BST)
Received: from muck (S0106e03f49079160.ok.shawcable.net [174.4.1.120])
	(authenticated bits=128)
	by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t7M01Sn7049195
	(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO);
	Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:01:31 +0100 (BST)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:01:27 -0700
From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com>
Message-ID: <20150822000127.GA5679@muck>
References: <CAED3CWgTOMFgaM6bBfU0Dn-R0NrdrhGAQo34wHEneYkTtB4Opg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEieSeSw04FYCCa-Df+V6BgJo1RHqPvJWt9t=c-JCC=dnhraWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABm2gDp0o5DBzuoyZ=SFvnBXTwPYFWhdOqUPkP_M_3koNMVP1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D5AA8E.7070403@bitcoins.info> <55D67017.9000106@thinlink.com>
	<20150821003751.GA19230@muck> <55D7575B.6030505@thinlink.com>
	<20150821222153.GD7450@muck> <55D7B157.904@thinlink.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256;
	protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <55D7B157.904@thinlink.com>
X-Server-Quench: f25065a0-4860-11e5-b398-002590a15da7
X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at:
	http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse
X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR
	aAdMdAAUGUATAgsB AmMbW1VeUFx7WmE7 ag1VcwFDY1RPXQV1
	VUBOXVMcUAIVAR1i WBkeVhBzfgAIfnp5 Ywg0XHVbWkErdVt5
	SkhUCGwHMGJ9OmMW WF1YdwFReQMbfxoR O1cxNiYHcQ5VPz4z
	GA41ejw8IwAXBDVT SwQMJlsWRVdDNTk6 WwoFGTEiEQUvRjk4
	KB0gYnQYG00Sen4z I1ZpfFsIezQbEmUA 
X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706
X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255)
X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 174.4.1.120/587
X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own
	anti-virus system.
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW
	autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
	smtp1.linux-foundation.org
Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamically Controlled Bitcoin Block Size Max Cap
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:01:35 -0000


--YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 04:16:39PM -0700, Tom Harding wrote:
> On 8/21/2015 3:21 PM, Peter Todd wrote:
> > To use a car analogy, Pieter Wuille has shown that the brake cylinders
> > have a fatigue problem, and if used in stop-and-go traffic regularly
> > they'll fail during heavy braking, potentially killing someone. You've
> > countered with a study of highway driving, showing that if the car is
> > only used on the highway the brakes have no issues, claiming that the
> > car design is perfectly safe.=20
>=20
> No.  If we must play the analogy game, it was found that the car crashes
> when the brakes are bad (minority hash power partitioned) the radio is
> on (partitioned miners had small individual hashrate).
>=20
> I checked the scenario where only the radio is on, and found the car
> does not crash.

Incidentally, what's your acceptable revenue difference between a small
(1% hashing power) and large (%30 hashing power) miner, all else being
equal? (remember that we shouldn't preclude variance reduction
techniques such as p2pool and pooled-solo mode)

Equally, what kind of attacks on miners do you think we need to be able to
resist? E.g. DoS attacks, hacking, etc.

That would let me know if you're definition of "the brakes are bad"
corresponds to normal usage, or something that's not reasonable to
design for.

--=20
'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
00000000000000000402fe6fb9ad613c93e12bddfc6ec02a2bd92f002050594d

--YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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=+CC1
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4--