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Hi,


Bitcoin does not have a virtual machine. But you do have [Miniscript][1],
[Min.sc][2], [Simplicity][3] and [Sapio][4]. These are all higher level
languages that compile to Bitcoin Script. Sapio is "just" Rust, so that
might fit your setting best.

By the way, this question also has an answer on [Bitcoin Stackexchange][5]
which is a great resource for questions like this.

[1]: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/miniscript/
[2]: https://min.sc/
[3]: https://github.com/ElementsProject/simplicity
[4]: https://learn.sapio-lang.org/
[5]:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/108261/is-there-a-tool-like-eth=
ereum-evm-at-present-for-bitcoin-script

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:55 PM Null Null via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is there a tool like Ethereum EVM at present? Users can write bitcoin
> scripts in a syntax just like python(or like other programming language);
> through this tool, they can be translated into bitcoin original scripts; =
it
> sounds like a new programming language has been invented.
>
> In my opinion=EF=BC=8C Bitcoin script programming is based on reverse Pol=
ish
> expression; this is not friendly to programmers;
>
> In fact, Bitcoin's opcode expression ability is very rich, and it may be
> unfriendly, which has affected the promotion of Bitcoin in the technical
> community.
>
> Hope for hearing some voice about this.
>
> Best wish.
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bitcoin d=
oes not have a virtual machine. But you do have [Miniscript][1], [Min.sc][2=
], [Simplicity][3] and [Sapio][4]. These are all higher level languages tha=
t compile to Bitcoin Script. Sapio is &quot;just&quot; Rust, so that might =
fit your setting best.<br><br></div><div>By the way, this question also has=
 an answer on [Bitcoin Stackexchange][5] which is a great resource for ques=
tions like this.<br></div><div><br></div><div>[1]: <a href=3D"http://bitcoi=
n.sipa.be/miniscript/" target=3D"_blank">http://bitcoin.sipa.be/miniscript/=
</a></div><div>[2]: <a href=3D"https://min.sc/" target=3D"_blank">https://m=
in.sc/</a></div><div>[3]: <a href=3D"https://github.com/ElementsProject/sim=
plicity" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/ElementsProject/simplicity</a=
></div><div>[4]: <a href=3D"https://learn.sapio-lang.org/" target=3D"_blank=
">https://learn.sapio-lang.org/</a><br>[5]: <a href=3D"https://bitcoin.stac=
kexchange.com/questions/108261/is-there-a-tool-like-ethereum-evm-at-present=
-for-bitcoin-script" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/qu=
estions/108261/is-there-a-tool-like-ethereum-evm-at-present-for-bitcoin-scr=
ipt</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:55 PM Null Null via bitcoin-dev &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Is there a tool like Ethereum EVM at present? Users can write bitcoin scrip=
ts in a syntax just like python(or like other programming language); throug=
h this tool, they can be translated into bitcoin original scripts; it sound=
s like a new programming language has been invented.<br>
<br>
In my opinion=EF=BC=8C Bitcoin script programming is based on reverse Polis=
h expression; this is not friendly to programmers;<br>
<br>
In fact, Bitcoin&#39;s opcode expression ability is very rich, and it may b=
e unfriendly, which has affected the promotion of Bitcoin in the technical =
community.<br>
<br>
Hope for hearing some voice about this.<br>
<br>
Best wish.<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</blockquote></div>

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