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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!]
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+To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote inclusion, my own
+personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member hat: on) is for
+temporal bans based on temporal circumstances. Default to
+pro-forgiveness. Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metric, rather
+than focusing on a specific personality.
+
+I do think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circles.
+
+Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a cooling off period is IMO
+advisable before taking any further action.
+
+
+
+On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev <
+bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
+
+> Dear list,
+>
+> Mike has made a variety of false and damaging statements about Bitcoin, o=
+f
+> which this is but one:
+>
+> On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <
+> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
+>
+> I coined the term SPV so I know exactly what it means, and bitcoinj
+> implements it, as does BreadWallet (the other big SPV implementation).
+>
+>
+> On his website Vinumeris.com he writes:
+>
+> Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the developers of the
+> Bitcoin digital currency system.
+>
+>
+> On plan99.net there are several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=
+=80=9Ccore
+> developer=E2=80=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Sato=
+shi.
+>
+> It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (like the one=
+ above
+> about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal control of Bitco=
+in
+> via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions that have been
+> harming and dividing this community for several years now.
+>
+> In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that, once crossed,
+> results in the expulsion of a member from the community.
+>
+> So, two questions:
+>
+> 1. Does the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?
+> 2. If so, does the community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I
+> personally feel he has. Multiple times.)
+>
+> Thanks for your thoughts,
+> Greg Slepak
+>
+> --
+> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing=
+ with
+> the NSA.
+>
+>
+> _______________________________________________
+> bitcoin-dev mailing list
+> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
+> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
+>
+>
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+<div dir=3D"ltr">To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote in=
+clusion, my own personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member =
+hat: on) is for temporal bans based on temporal circumstances.=C2=A0 Defaul=
+t to pro-forgiveness.=C2=A0 Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metr=
+ic, rather than focusing on a specific personality.<div><br></div><div>I do=
+ think we&#39;re at a bit of a point where we&#39;re going around in circle=
+s.</div><div><br></div><div>Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a coo=
+ling off period is IMO advisable before taking any further action.</div><di=
+v><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
+=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-de=
+v <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
+.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span=
+> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
+rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo=
+rd"><div>Dear list,</div><div><br></div><div>Mike has made a variety of fal=
+se and damaging statements about Bitcoin, of which this is but one:</div><d=
+iv><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn vi=
+a bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" =
+target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:</blo=
+ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
+l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I coined the term SPV so I know ex=
+actly what it means, and bitcoinj implements it, as does BreadWallet (the o=
+ther big SPV implementation).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
+</div><div>On his website <a href=3D"http://Vinumeris.com" target=3D"_blank=
+">Vinumeris.com</a>=C2=A0he writes:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote ty=
+pe=3D"cite">Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the develop=
+ers of the Bitcoin digital currency system.</blockquote><br></div><div>On <=
+a href=3D"http://plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">plan99.net</a>=C2=A0there ar=
+e several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=80=9Ccore developer=E2=80=
+=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Satoshi.</div><div><b=
+r></div><div>It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (l=
+ike the one above about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal =
+control of Bitcoin via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions t=
+hat have been harming and dividing this community for several years now.</d=
+iv><div><br></div><div>In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that=
+, once crossed, results in the expulsion of a member from the community.</d=
+iv><div><br></div><div>So, two questions:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Does =
+the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?</div><div>2. If so, does th=
+e community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I personally feel he has.=
+ Multiple times.)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your thoughts,</div><=
+div>Greg Slepak</div><div>
+<br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
+nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
+l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
+hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none">--<=
+/span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
+nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
+l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
+hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fa=
+mily:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-we=
+ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-=
+indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:=
+inline!important;float:none">Please do not email me anything that you are n=
+ot comfortable also sharing</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
+ly:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weig=
+ht:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
+dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:in=
+line!important;float:none">=C2=A0with the NSA.</span>
+</div>
+
+<br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
+linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
+<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
+rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
+man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
+
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