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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!]
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[Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 + CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!] +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:39:41 -0000 + +--f46d043be2767841fa05210db175 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote inclusion, my own +personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member hat: on) is for +temporal bans based on temporal circumstances. Default to +pro-forgiveness. Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metric, rather +than focusing on a specific personality. + +I do think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circles. + +Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a cooling off period is IMO +advisable before taking any further action. + + + +On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> Dear list, +> +> Mike has made a variety of false and damaging statements about Bitcoin, o= +f +> which this is but one: +> +> On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev < +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +> +> I coined the term SPV so I know exactly what it means, and bitcoinj +> implements it, as does BreadWallet (the other big SPV implementation). +> +> +> On his website Vinumeris.com he writes: +> +> Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the developers of the +> Bitcoin digital currency system. +> +> +> On plan99.net there are several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2= +=80=9Ccore +> developer=E2=80=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Sato= +shi. +> +> It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (like the one= + above +> about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal control of Bitco= +in +> via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions that have been +> harming and dividing this community for several years now. +> +> In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that, once crossed, +> results in the expulsion of a member from the community. +> +> So, two questions: +> +> 1. Does the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line? +> 2. If so, does the community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I +> personally feel he has. Multiple times.) +> +> Thanks for your thoughts, +> Greg Slepak +> +> -- +> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing= + with +> the NSA. +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> +> + +--f46d043be2767841fa05210db175 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote in= +clusion, my own personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member = +hat: on) is for temporal bans based on temporal circumstances.=C2=A0 Defaul= +t to pro-forgiveness.=C2=A0 Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metr= +ic, rather than focusing on a specific personality.<div><br></div><div>I do= + think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circle= +s.</div><div><br></div><div>Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a coo= +ling off period is IMO advisable before taking any further action.</div><di= +v><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= +=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-de= +v <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation= +.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span= +> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo= +rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo= +rd"><div>Dear list,</div><div><br></div><div>Mike has made a variety of fal= +se and damaging statements about Bitcoin, of which this is but one:</div><d= +iv><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn vi= +a bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" = +target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:</blo= +ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai= +l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I coined the term SPV so I know ex= +actly what it means, and bitcoinj implements it, as does BreadWallet (the o= +ther big SPV implementation).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>= +</div><div>On his website <a href=3D"http://Vinumeris.com" target=3D"_blank= +">Vinumeris.com</a>=C2=A0he writes:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote ty= +pe=3D"cite">Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the develop= +ers of the Bitcoin digital currency system.</blockquote><br></div><div>On <= +a href=3D"http://plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">plan99.net</a>=C2=A0there ar= +e several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=80=9Ccore developer=E2=80= +=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Satoshi.</div><div><b= +r></div><div>It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (l= +ike the one above about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal = +control of Bitcoin via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions t= +hat have been harming and dividing this community for several years now.</d= +iv><div><br></div><div>In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that= +, once crossed, results in the expulsion of a member from the community.</d= +iv><div><br></div><div>So, two questions:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Does = +the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?</div><div>2. If so, does th= +e community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I personally feel he has.= + Multiple times.)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your thoughts,</div><= +div>Greg Slepak</div><div> +<br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo= +nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma= +l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w= +hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none">--<= +/span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo= +nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma= +l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w= +hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fa= +mily:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-we= +ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-= +indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:= +inline!important;float:none">Please do not email me anything that you are n= +ot comfortable also sharing</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami= +ly:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weig= +ht:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-in= +dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:in= +line!important;float:none">=C2=A0with the NSA.</span> +</div> + +<br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--f46d043be2767841fa05210db175-- + |