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| author | Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com> | 2014-04-20 17:05:47 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2014-04-20 15:05:50 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account
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+ boundary="Apple-Mail=_8585CE8D-E851-4E39-A864-006306A1717F"; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 +Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) +From: Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com> +In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBha=cUHOWcU29yLrC4WTy5EghOGpVGAcQ8S0fuMvpLeRw@mail.gmail.com> +Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:05:47 +0200 +Message-Id: <DFFB1B2C-F10B-4CF7-9D01-F6A27F9FA229@bitsofproof.com> +References: <CAJKMfeQO6pyi5b-83FyMSHcq0Sa1QkP+RouQVBdCYPtXXboY8A@mail.gmail.com> + <3A69904F-0A3D-42E9-9DE7-067874E710BB@bitsofproof.com> + <CAPg+sBha=cUHOWcU29yLrC4WTy5EghOGpVGAcQ8S0fuMvpLeRw@mail.gmail.com> +To: Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> +X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) +X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; tamas@bitsofproof.com; 1398006347; + 420cd9be; +X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) +X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. + See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. + 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message +X-Headers-End: 1WbtJT-00075H-1i +Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 +Precedence: list +List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 15:05:50 -0000 + + +--Apple-Mail=_8585CE8D-E851-4E39-A864-006306A1717F +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; + boundary="Apple-Mail=_05FD224F-17E5-4ED3-A2B0-5C1A2156B9EA" + + +--Apple-Mail=_05FD224F-17E5-4ED3-A2B0-5C1A2156B9EA +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=iso-8859-1 + +Here is an earlier reference to bits: + += +https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/m= +sg04248.html + +I forgot that Alan Reiner was also supporting a unit equals to bits : + += +https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/m= +sg04264.html + +and here the earlier going back to March 2013 and a poll at that time = +pushing for XBT being 1 bit + += +https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/m= +sg04256.html + +Regards, + +Tamas Blummer +http://bitsofproof.com + +On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> wrote: + +> I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull request for +> Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention changes +> to just one client. +>=20 +> I wasn't aware of any discussion about the "bits" proposal here = +before. +>=20 +> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com> = +wrote: +>> People on this list are mostly engineers who have no problem dealing = +with +>> magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who have a = +problem +>> with them. +>> They also tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they = +would not +>> need to care of finance's or people's current customs. +>>=20 +>> The importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as = +people +>> already use wallets other than the core. +>>=20 +>> Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer. +>>=20 +>> BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my support = +and Jeff +>> Garzik's. +>>=20 +>> Regards, +>>=20 +>> Tamas Blummer +>> http://bitsofproof.com +>>=20 +>> On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding <rob.golding@astutium.com> = +wrote: +>>=20 +>> The average person is not going to be confident that the prefix they +>> are using is the correct one, +>>=20 +>>=20 +>> The use of any 'prefix' is one of choice and entirely unnecessary, = +and there +>> are already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that feel = +they need +>> to use such things. +>>=20 +>> people WILL send 1000x more or less than +>> intended if we go down this road, +>>=20 +>>=20 +>> Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2 = +and 3 +>> dp's in amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of thousands = +- Not +>> once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than intended - = +oh, +>> they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never *unintended*. +>>=20 +>> I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate the +>> Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. Where one bitcoin (BTC) +>> equals one million bits (bits) and one bit equals 100 satoshis. +>>=20 +>>=20 +>> I propose that for people unable to understand what a bitcoin is, = +they can +>> just use satoshi's and drop this entire proposal. +>>=20 +>> Rob +>>=20 +>>=20 +>> = +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= +---- +>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book +>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and = +their +>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, +>> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! +>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech +>> _______________________________________________ +>> Bitcoin-development mailing list +>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +>>=20 +>>=20 +>>=20 +>> = +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= +---- +>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book +>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and = +their +>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, +>> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! +>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech +>> _______________________________________________ +>> Bitcoin-development mailing list +>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +>>=20 +>=20 + + +--Apple-Mail=_05FD224F-17E5-4ED3-A2B0-5C1A2156B9EA +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/html; + charset=iso-8859-1 + +<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = +charset=3Diso-8859-1"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = +-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = +after-white-space;"><div>Here is an earlier reference to = +bits:</div><div><br></div><div><a = +href=3D"https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge= +.net/msg04248.html">https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lis= +ts.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html</a></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true">I forgot that Alan Reiner was also = +supporting a unit equals to bits :</div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><a = +href=3D"https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge= +.net/msg04264.html">https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lis= +ts.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html</a></div><div><br></div></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true">and here the earlier going back to March = +2013 and a poll at that time pushing for XBT being 1 bit</div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><a = +href=3D"https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge= +.net/msg04256.html">https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lis= +ts.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html</a></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = +apple-content-edited=3D"true"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = +font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = +font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = +line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = +text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = +-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; float: none; = +display: inline !important;">Regards,</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, = +0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = +font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = +line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = +text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = +-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br = +style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = +font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = +letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = +text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = +word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = +2;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = +font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = +normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = +-webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = +normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = +widows: 2; float: none; display: inline !important;">Tamas = +Blummer</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = +Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = +font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = +orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = +none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = +-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = +font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = +font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = +line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = +text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = +-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span = +style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = +font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = +letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = +text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = +word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = +2; float: none; display: inline !important;"><a = +href=3D"http://bitsofproof.com">http://bitsofproof.com</a></span> +</span></div> +<br><div><div>On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille <<a = +href=3D"mailto:pieter.wuille@gmail.com">pieter.wuille@gmail.com</a>> = +wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = +type=3D"cite">I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull = +request for<br>Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such = +convention changes<br>to just one client.<br><br>I wasn't aware of any = +discussion about the "bits" proposal here before.<br><br>On Sun, Apr 20, = +2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer <<a = +href=3D"mailto:tamas@bitsofproof.com">tamas@bitsofproof.com</a>> = +wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">People on this list are mostly = +engineers who have no problem dealing with<br>magnitudes and have rather = +limited empathy for people who have a problem<br>with them.<br>They also = +tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they would = +not<br>need to care of finance's or people's current customs.<br><br>The = +importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as = +people<br>already use wallets other than the core.<br><br>Bring this = +particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer.<br><br>BTW the = +topic was discussed here several times, you have my support and = +Jeff<br>Garzik's.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Tamas Blummer<br><a = +href=3D"http://bitsofproof.com">http://bitsofproof.com</a><br><br>On = +20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding <rob.golding@astutium.com> = +wrote:<br><br>The average person is not going to be confident that the = +prefix they<br>are using is the correct one,<br><br><br>The use of any = +'prefix' is one of choice and entirely unnecessary, and there<br>are = +already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that feel they = +need<br>to use such things.<br><br>people WILL send 1000x more or less = +than<br>intended if we go down this road,<br><br><br>Exceptionally = +unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2 and 3<br>dp's in = +amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of thousands - = +Not<br>once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than = +intended - oh,<br>they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never = +*unintended*.<br><br>I propose that users are offered a preference to = +denominate the<br>Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. Where one = +bitcoin (BTC)<br>equals one million bits (bits) and one bit equals 100 = +satoshis.<br><br><br>I propose that for people unable to understand what = +a bitcoin is, they can<br>just use satoshi's and drop this entire = +proposal.<br><br>Rob<br><br><br>------------------------------------------= +------------------------------------<br>Learn Graph Databases - Download = +FREE O'Reilly Book<br>"Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to = +graph databases and their<br>applications. Written by three acclaimed = +leaders in the field,<br>this first edition is now available. Download = +your free book = +today!<br>http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech<br>_________________________________= +______________<br>Bitcoin-development mailing = +list<br>Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net<br>https://lists.sourcef= +orge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development<br><br><br><br>---------------= +---------------------------------------------------------------<br>Learn = +Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book<br>"Graph Databases" is = +the definitive new guide to graph databases and their<br>applications. = +Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,<br>this first edition = +is now available. Download your free book = +today!<br>http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech<br>_________________________________= +______________<br>Bitcoin-development mailing = +list<br>Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net<br>https://lists.sourcef= +orge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development<br><br></blockquote><br></bloc= +kquote></div><br></body></html>= + +--Apple-Mail=_05FD224F-17E5-4ED3-A2B0-5C1A2156B9EA-- + +--Apple-Mail=_8585CE8D-E851-4E39-A864-006306A1717F +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: attachment; + filename=signature.asc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; + name=signature.asc +Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTU+JMAAoJEPZykcUXcTkculAIAIGb9DRtKpa8ktBRG2dtZ8g/ +1UETxKrmeZ7huMSVsrpZSCz/ptetuNRivA5gDJf3iMvUX0qsz/pqGXRkAoboUfzp +j3gyhjBzhtUE4d7RXOgWn7hqgRfGSFeNsA+RlTd0xr2Igx0BhjZUATeLdYhJa+2u +JjtTz75qbQ3/Ugw1SuQjGIX1pV7/Eqafc2QftlPGLYP/ci//YvrYnjjURLq21JDv +7TUk0xi5AJ+06Gj76QAWf2H9fSoeLvUvxTx/QnlL5YqRRobx7U5e8AGKOmv0UAbQ +aZS732YzxVtxebJql63UwRlOGyXFmkthzFDUPz7s9EhYES4Vr8CJ9ATMBzfBnjo= +=0Z6P +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Apple-Mail=_8585CE8D-E851-4E39-A864-006306A1717F-- + + |