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authorMark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>2015-09-20 11:43:19 -0400
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report
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+From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
+Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:43:19 -0400
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+Replying to this specific email only because it is the most recent in my
+mail client.
+
+Does this conversation have to happen on-list? It seems to have wandered
+incredibly far off-topic.
+
+On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <
+bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
+
+> Also, in the US, despite overwhelming resistance on a broad scale,
+>> legislation continues to be presented which would violate the 2nd amendment
+>> right to keep and bear arms.
+>
+>
+> And yet the proposed legislation goes nowhere, and the USA continues to
+> stand alone in having the first world's weakest gun control laws.
+>
+> You are just supporting my point with this example. Obama would like to
+> restrict guns, but can't, because they are too popular (in the USA).
+>
+> The comparison to BitTorrent is likewise weak: governments hardly care
+> about piracy. They care enough to pass laws occasionally, but not enough to
+> put serious effort into enforcement. Wake me up when the USA establishes a
+> Copyright Enforcement Administration with the same budget and powers as the
+> DEA.
+>
+> Internet based black markets exist only because governments tolerate them
+> (for now). A ban on Tor, Bitcoin or both would send them back to the
+> pre-2011 state where they were virtually non-existent. Governments tolerate
+> this sort of abuse only because they believe, I think correctly, that
+> Bitcoin can have great benefits for their ordinary voters and for now are
+> willing to let the tech industry experiment.
+>
+> But for that state of affairs to continue, the benefits must actually
+> appear. That requires growth.
+>
+> I think there's a difference between natural growth and the kind of growth
+>> that's being proposed by bank-backed start-ups and pro-censorship entities.
+>>
+>
+> What difference? Are you saying the people who come to Bitcoin because of
+> a startup are somehow less "natural" than other users?
+>
+> _______________________________________________
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+> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
+> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
+>
+>
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+<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Replying to this specific email only because it is th=
+e most recent in my mail client.<br><br></div>Does this conversation have t=
+o happen on-list? It seems to have wandered incredibly far off-topic.<br></=
+div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 2=
+0, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
+f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoi=
+n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
+=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
+ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gma=
+il_quote"><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
+n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204=
+);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Also, in=C2=A0the US, despite o=
+verwhelming resistance on a broad scale, legislation=C2=A0continues to be p=
+resented which would violate the 2nd amendment right to=C2=A0keep and bear =
+arms.</blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>And yet the proposed legislati=
+on goes nowhere, and the USA continues to stand alone in having the first w=
+orld&#39;s weakest gun control laws.</div><div><br></div><div>You are just =
+supporting my point with this example. Obama would like to restrict guns, b=
+ut can&#39;t, because they are too popular (in the USA).</div><div><br></di=
+v><div>The comparison to BitTorrent is likewise weak: governments hardly ca=
+re about piracy. They care enough to pass laws occasionally, but not enough=
+ to put serious effort into enforcement. Wake me up when the USA establishe=
+s a Copyright Enforcement Administration with the same budget and powers as=
+ the DEA.</div><div><br></div><div>Internet based black markets exist only =
+because governments tolerate them (for now). A ban on Tor, Bitcoin or both =
+would send them back to the pre-2011 state where they were virtually non-ex=
+istent. Governments tolerate this sort of abuse only because they believe, =
+I think correctly, that Bitcoin can have great benefits for their ordinary =
+voters and for now are willing to let the tech industry experiment.</div><d=
+iv><br></div><div>But for that state of affairs to continue, the benefits m=
+ust actually appear. That requires growth.</div><span class=3D""><div><br><=
+/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
+rder-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:so=
+lid;padding-left:1ex">I think there&#39;s a difference between natural grow=
+th and the kind of=C2=A0growth that&#39;s being proposed by bank-backed sta=
+rt-ups and pro-censorship=C2=A0entities.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></s=
+pan><div>What difference? Are you saying the people who come to Bitcoin bec=
+ause of a startup are somehow less &quot;natural&quot; than other users?</d=
+iv></div></div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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