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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report
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It seems to have wandered +incredibly far off-topic. + +On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> Also, in the US, despite overwhelming resistance on a broad scale, +>> legislation continues to be presented which would violate the 2nd amendment +>> right to keep and bear arms. +> +> +> And yet the proposed legislation goes nowhere, and the USA continues to +> stand alone in having the first world's weakest gun control laws. +> +> You are just supporting my point with this example. Obama would like to +> restrict guns, but can't, because they are too popular (in the USA). +> +> The comparison to BitTorrent is likewise weak: governments hardly care +> about piracy. They care enough to pass laws occasionally, but not enough to +> put serious effort into enforcement. Wake me up when the USA establishes a +> Copyright Enforcement Administration with the same budget and powers as the +> DEA. +> +> Internet based black markets exist only because governments tolerate them +> (for now). A ban on Tor, Bitcoin or both would send them back to the +> pre-2011 state where they were virtually non-existent. Governments tolerate +> this sort of abuse only because they believe, I think correctly, that +> Bitcoin can have great benefits for their ordinary voters and for now are +> willing to let the tech industry experiment. +> +> But for that state of affairs to continue, the benefits must actually +> appear. That requires growth. +> +> I think there's a difference between natural growth and the kind of growth +>> that's being proposed by bank-backed start-ups and pro-censorship entities. +>> +> +> What difference? Are you saying the people who come to Bitcoin because of +> a startup are somehow less "natural" than other users? +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> +> + +--001a1134c792ebca3805202fa03c +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Replying to this specific email only because it is th= +e most recent in my mail client.<br><br></div>Does this conversation have t= +o happen on-list? It seems to have wandered incredibly far off-topic.<br></= +div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 2= +0, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre= +f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoi= +n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class= +=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= +ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gma= +il_quote"><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= +n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204= +);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Also, in=C2=A0the US, despite o= +verwhelming resistance on a broad scale, legislation=C2=A0continues to be p= +resented which would violate the 2nd amendment right to=C2=A0keep and bear = +arms.</blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>And yet the proposed legislati= +on goes nowhere, and the USA continues to stand alone in having the first w= +orld's weakest gun control laws.</div><div><br></div><div>You are just = +supporting my point with this example. Obama would like to restrict guns, b= +ut can't, because they are too popular (in the USA).</div><div><br></di= +v><div>The comparison to BitTorrent is likewise weak: governments hardly ca= +re about piracy. They care enough to pass laws occasionally, but not enough= + to put serious effort into enforcement. Wake me up when the USA establishe= +s a Copyright Enforcement Administration with the same budget and powers as= + the DEA.</div><div><br></div><div>Internet based black markets exist only = +because governments tolerate them (for now). A ban on Tor, Bitcoin or both = +would send them back to the pre-2011 state where they were virtually non-ex= +istent. Governments tolerate this sort of abuse only because they believe, = +I think correctly, that Bitcoin can have great benefits for their ordinary = +voters and for now are willing to let the tech industry experiment.</div><d= +iv><br></div><div>But for that state of affairs to continue, the benefits m= +ust actually appear. That requires growth.</div><span class=3D""><div><br><= +/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo= +rder-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:so= +lid;padding-left:1ex">I think there's a difference between natural grow= +th and the kind of=C2=A0growth that's being proposed by bank-backed sta= +rt-ups and pro-censorship=C2=A0entities.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></s= +pan><div>What difference? Are you saying the people who come to Bitcoin bec= +ause of a startup are somehow less "natural" than other users?</d= +iv></div></div></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--001a1134c792ebca3805202fa03c-- + |