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| author | Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com> | 2015-12-20 22:34:06 -0500 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-12-21 03:34:07 +0000 |
| commit | fd15cfaaad13dfca56f60d6d543dceeb3bcff0e3 (patch) | |
| tree | a0de0cbf8583755451942e7e9d6aead9aba7aa69 | |
| parent | e6f126e06d21ff01d89a4a6f66dd67ddceeb60e0 (diff) | |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Forget dormant UTXOs without confiscating bitcoin
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diff --git a/ab/11310838c8958d5535a00622cda830bfc2f75d b/ab/11310838c8958d5535a00622cda830bfc2f75d new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e49d42582 --- /dev/null +++ b/ab/11310838c8958d5535a00622cda830bfc2f75d @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +Return-Path: <jgarzik@gmail.com> +Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org + [172.17.192.35]) + by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40B001043 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:34:07 +0000 (UTC) +X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 +Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com + [209.85.213.174]) + by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A00E0E0 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:34:06 +0000 (UTC) +Received: by mail-ig0-f174.google.com with SMTP id to4so28681227igc.0 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:34:06 -0800 (PST) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to + :cc:content-type; + bh=3fL/uhvBduepvHI9jiCmEPXKNier8/GQ5PstXHcwFwQ=; + b=u4KBEYPGpZEdjSln4G/58SCJYIeMRDbwvRYii32bdBelINR09Mc6E+Gy+6/gxVY5vt + QOuahDGslEbGa0tGhoOEBFc7lCcQ++yletAC3EG9HgqTeARSwyxFs9KPgbjPNRZ1KY+b + IxYZ9jrhjDFlnODn4GtcKtK4s7dDP7agb8+qVp8aE1ckxSTFDdM9cK86QwhAcTSjG0bx + hFn7disFGSaSaD10X4UgDnVAg9LAotHOLy95OCqvs4wAWWtuQE5epornmWdvxom0GJSV + CguxQsERMlbPg0spHTK4C/rbzXwgH9gfNpdWB7sfLeu5/YIRIePDekfgTrCpZuoN+66I + 0Nlg== +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Received: by 10.50.30.100 with SMTP id r4mr13367120igh.23.1450668846132; + Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:34:06 -0800 (PST) +Received: by 10.79.8.198 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:34:06 -0800 (PST) +In-Reply-To: <99D24C78-CAEE-4E48-A454-CA82B317D44B@petertodd.org> +References: <50e629572d8de852eb789d50b34da308@xbt.hk> + <1449961269.2210.5.camel@yahoo.com> + <CACrzPenXGQZBrx8QC+1QE2oCE3N=qmfgc_OWrowtjtLjGkZrRA@mail.gmail.com> + <CAAS2fgQi7aiwyOaVBiMbp6t9D58aFAmDdKPzFiscB6ouGzBK6A@mail.gmail.com> + <20151220112454.GB16187@muck> + <CADm_Wca0cWRvcVaJ+p47A49yffQ1vP=u4807j7axn=mdBdsUGQ@mail.gmail.com> + <CAB+qUq5P0vzZSq3VSX8__3dMP+WnmeXEgYm-MNrJOdNCYivqQA@mail.gmail.com> + <99D24C78-CAEE-4E48-A454-CA82B317D44B@petertodd.org> +Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:34:06 -0500 +Message-ID: <CADm_Wca33DiFjDttGz2YVzNMEfGKb7GwTz0BuFpz7UOThsnRYQ@mail.gmail.com> +From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com> +To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83938742b86e05276029a9 +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, + DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW + autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Forget dormant UTXOs without confiscating bitcoin +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:34:07 -0000 + +--e89a8f83938742b86e05276029a9 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 + +On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote: + +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +> Hash: SHA512 +> +> +> +> On 20 December 2015 08:30:45 GMT-08:00, Chris Pacia <ctpacia@gmail.com> +> wrote: +> >On Dec 20, 2015 6:34 AM, "Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev" < +> >bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +> > +> >> 2) This reverses the useful minimization attribute of HD wallets - +> >"just +> >backup the seed" +> > +> >It would be nice if the bip37 filter matching algorithm was extended to +> >serve up the proof. +> > +> >And if server-based wallets did the same it would preserve the "just +> >backup +> >the seed" functionality. +> +> Exactly! The information will be out there - "just backup the seed" +> requires someone to have the exact same data needed to generate the +> TXO-unspent proof that my proposal requires to spend an old txout. +> +> tl;dr: jgarzik is incorrect; theres no difference at all from the status +> quo. +> + +The data stored in the legacy case makes it possible to sign and send a +transaction without any connection to a network. The data stored in the +upgraded case, absent grandfathering, requires significant network sync at +a minimum. + +The user experience and security parameters are different. + +Thus, issue/recommendation #1. + +--e89a8f83938742b86e05276029a9 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= +te">On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Peter Todd <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h= +ref=3D"mailto:pete@petertodd.org" target=3D"_blank">pete@petertodd.org</a>&= +gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 = +0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED M= +ESSAGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA512<br> +<div><div class=3D"h5"><br> +<br> +<br> +On 20 December 2015 08:30:45 GMT-08:00, Chris Pacia <<a href=3D"mailto:c= +tpacia@gmail.com">ctpacia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +>On Dec 20, 2015 6:34 AM, "Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev" <<b= +r> +><a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@li= +sts.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br> +><br> +>> 2) This reverses the useful minimization attribute of HD wallets -= +<br> +>"just<br> +>backup the seed"<br> +><br> +>It would be nice if the bip37 filter matching algorithm was extended to= +<br> +>serve up the proof.<br> +><br> +>And if server-based wallets did the same it would preserve the "ju= +st<br> +>backup<br> +>the seed" functionality.<br> +<br> +</div></div>Exactly! The information will be out there - "just backup = +the seed" requires someone to have the exact same data needed to gener= +ate the TXO-unspent proof that my proposal requires to spend an old txout.<= +br> +<br> +tl;dr: jgarzik is incorrect; theres no difference at all from the status qu= +o.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The data stored in the legacy case m= +akes it possible to sign and send a transaction without any connection to a= + network.=C2=A0 The data stored in the upgraded case, absent grandfathering= +, requires significant network sync at a minimum.</div><div><br></div><div>= +The user experience and security parameters are different.</div><div><br></= +div><div>Thus, issue/recommendation #1.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>= +</div></div></div> + +--e89a8f83938742b86e05276029a9-- + |