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| author | alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail.com> | 2023-11-05 18:43:18 +0000 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2023-11-05 18:43:47 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] ossification and misaligned incentive concerns
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I share your concerns about the growing influence of centralized servi= +ce providers on Bitcoin's development. Although there is nothing much we ca= +n do about it especially=20 +when trusted, centralized, custodial, federated etc. projects keep getting = +funded. Only solution is to build better things and be positive. + +Example: Everyone is aware of the risks involved in a project that takes cu= +stody of funds, provide privacy without KYC. There are several examples fro= +m past in which similar=20 +projects with some volume ended up getting shutdown by governments. With [c= +ovenants and statechains][0], it is possible to use bitcoin (p2p ecash) wit= +h privacy and involves no custody. + +There are other [benefits][1] of payment pools (w/ covenants) in terms of p= +rivacy. Hopefully we agree to do soft fork in next year or so. + +[0]: https://github.com/AdamISZ/pathcoin-poc +[1]: https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-05-21.log + +/dev/fd0 +floppy disk guy + +Sent with Proton Mail secure email. + +------- Original Message ------- +On Friday, November 3rd, 2023 at 11:54 PM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <b= +itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + + +> currently, there are providers of anonymity services, scaling services, c= +ustody, and other services layered on top of bitcoin using trust-based and = +federated models. +>=20 +> as bitcoin becomes more popular, these service providers have increasingl= +y had a louder "voice" in development and maintenance of the protocol +>=20 +> holders generally want these features +>=20 +> but service providers have an incentive to maintain a "moat" around their= + services +>=20 +> in summary, making privacy, scaling and vaulting "hard" for regular users= +, keeping it off-chain and federated... is now incentivised among a vocal, = +but highly technical, minority +>=20 +> is anyone else worried about this? + |