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author | ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com> | 2023-09-19 07:44:48 +0000 |
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committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2023-09-19 07:45:11 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants
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