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| author | alp alp <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com> | 2017-02-08 08:44:52 -0600 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Modified Version of Luke-jr's Block Size BIP
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That seems like a significant disenfranchisement +and lack of consensus. + +On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, t. khan via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote: +> +>> On Monday, February 06, 2017 6:19:43 PM you wrote: +>> > >My BIP draft didn't make progress because the community opposes any +>> block +>> > >size increase hardfork ever. +>> > +>> > Luke, how do you know the community opposes that? Specifically, how did +>> you +>> > come to this conclusion? +>> +>> http://www.strawpoll.me/12228388/r +> +> +> That poll shows 63% of votes want a larger than 1 MB block by this summer. +> How do you go from that to "the community opposes any block increase ever"? +> It shows the exact opposite of that. +> +> +>> > >Your version doesn't address the current block size +>> > >issues (ie, the blocks being too large). +>> > +>> > Why do you think blocks are "too large"? Please cite some evidence. I've +>> > asked this before and you ignored it, but an answer would be helpful to +>> the +>> > discussion. +>> +>> Full node count is far below the safe minimum of 85% of economic activity. +>> +> +> Is this causing a problem now? If so, what? +> +> +>> Typically reasons given for people not using full nodes themselves come +>> down +>> to the high resource requirements caused by the block size. +> +> +> The reason people stop running nodes is because there's no incentive to +> counteract the resource costs. Attempting to solve this by making blocks +> *smaller* is like curing a disease by killing the patient. (Incentivizing +> full node operation would fix that problem.) +> +> - t.k. +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> +> + +--001a114b1a164af96e054805e8c2 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">10% say literally never.=C2=A0 That seems like a significa= +nt disenfranchisement and lack of consensus.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra= +"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, t. khan vi= +a bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.lin= +uxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</= +a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= + 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di= +v>On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Luke Dashjr <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= +=3D"mailto:luke@dashjr.org" target=3D"_blank">luke@dashjr.org</a>></span= +> wrote:<br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote= +"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde= +r-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)= +;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><span class=3D"m_5903971323563278916gma= +il-">On Monday, February 06, 2017 6:19:43 PM you wrote:<br> +> >My BIP draft didn't make progress because the community oppose= +s any block<br> +> >size increase hardfork ever.<br> +><br> +</span></span><span class=3D""><span class=3D"m_5903971323563278916gmail-">= +> Luke, how do you know the community opposes that? Specifically, how di= +d you<br> +> come to this conclusion?<br> +<br> +</span></span><a href=3D"http://www.strawpoll.me/12228388/r" rel=3D"norefer= +rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.strawpoll.me/122283<wbr>88/r</a></blockqu= +ote><div><br></div>That poll shows 63% of votes want a larger than 1 MB blo= +ck by this summer. How do you go from that to "the community opposes a= +ny block increase ever"? It shows the exact opposite of that.<div>=C2= +=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e= +x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,2= +04,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><span class=3D"m_590397132356327= +8916gmail-"> +> >Your version doesn't address the current block size<br> +> >issues (ie, the blocks being too large).<br> +><br> +> Why do you think blocks are "too large"? Please cite some ev= +idence. I've<br> +> asked this before and you ignored it, but an answer would be helpful t= +o the<br> +> discussion.<br> +<br> +</span></span>Full node count is far below the safe minimum of 85% of econo= +mic activity.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is this causing a problem= + now? If so, what?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = +style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:s= +olid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> +Typically reasons given for people not using full nodes themselves come dow= +n<br> +to the high resource requirements caused by the block size.</blockquote><di= +v><br></div><div>The reason people stop running nodes is because there'= +s no incentive to counteract the resource costs. Attempting to solve this b= +y making blocks *smaller* is like curing a disease by killing the patient. = +(Incentivizing full node operation would fix that problem.)<br></div><div><= +br></div><div>- t.k.</div></div><br></div></div></div> +<br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wbr>org= +/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-<wbr>dev</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--001a114b1a164af96e054805e8c2-- + |