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| author | Marcel Jamin <marcel@jamin.net> | 2015-08-17 21:40:55 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-08-17 19:40:57 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork
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I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would +>> achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin +>> XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my +>> concerns about this very dangerous fork. +>> +>> The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my +>> original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth. When I +>> designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future +>> modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous +>> agreement. Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of +>> charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or +>> Satoshi Nakamoto. Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have +>> to do it without being forced or pressured into it. By doing a fork in +>> this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim +>> to honour. +>> +>> They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed +>> to be. However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and +>> new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions. +>> For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the +>> security of the network. Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system +>> while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and +>> we should take more time to come up with a robust solution. I suspect we +>> need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on +>> altruism. +>> +>> If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what +>> "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the +>> use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin +>> a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially +>> robust. This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold. +>> +>> Satoshi Nakamoto +>> +>> _______________________________________________ +>> bitcoin-dev mailing list +>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +>> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> +> + +--001a114d64e6e43564051d86face +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">His account on that website was also compromised.</div><di= +v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-08-17 21:02 GMT= ++02:00 Anon Moto via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bi= +tcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.li= +nuxfoundation.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= +e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div di= +r=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Satoshi, <br><br></div>As much as I want to believ= +e this is you it's very difficult to ignore the fact that Vistomail cou= +ld have been hacked and I'm currently speaking to a troll. <br></div>Ca= +n you copy and paste what you wrote above, to <a href=3D"http://p2pfoundati= +on.ning.com" target=3D"_blank">http://p2pfoundation.ning.com</a> as well, l= +ike how you did during the Dorian fiasco? <br></div><div><br></div><div><br= +></div>Much appreciated. <br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div = +class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Satoshi Nakamoto vi= +a bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.lin= +uxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</= +a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= + 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have been followin= +g the recent block size debates through the mailing list.=C2=A0 I had hoped= + the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread= + consensus.=C2=A0 However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this= + looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about th= +is very dangerous fork.<br> +<br> +The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original = +vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.=C2=A0 When I designed = +Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the= + consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.=C2=A0 Bitcoin = +was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, eve= +n if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.=C2=A0= + Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without b= +eing forced or pressured into it.=C2=A0 By doing a fork in this way, these = +developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to hono= +ur.<br> +<br> +They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to = +be.=C2=A0 However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and= + new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.= +=C2=A0 For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on= + the security of the network.=C2=A0 Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary s= +ystem while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial proble= +m, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.=C2=A0 I = +suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relyin= +g solely on altruism.<br> +<br> +If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bit= +coin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through th= +e use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoi= +n a failed project.=C2=A0 Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and soci= +ally robust.=C2=A0 This present situation has been very disappointing to wa= +tch unfold.<br> +<br> +Satoshi Nakamoto<br> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote></div><br></div> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--001a114d64e6e43564051d86face-- + |