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We won't have our heads +around the foundation budget for a few more weeks, but self-organization is +often slower than budgeting. :) + +This is just my opinion, but I would like very, very much to move the +current specification into unit tests so that anyone could validate their +alternate bitcoin implementation. This is a lot of work, some of which has +been done, much of which hasn't. + +So, my two cents, plus an offer to bring it up at our next budgeting +meeting. + +Peter + + +On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM, steve <steve@mistfpga.net> wrote: + +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +> Hash: SHA1 +> +> On 01/10/2012 14:52, Arklan Uth Oslin wrote: +> > Hi guys. +> > +> > So, as I mentioned on the bitcointalk.org forums thread about the +> > foundation, I want to get involved in the QA side of bitcoin +> > development. I've done functional testing in the video game +> > industry for years. +> +> Nice one, I worked in games for quite a few years. (before getting +> into finance then pentesting) there are about 6 keen testers now. +> maybe we should get a bitcoin-test mailing list, where we can discuss +> stuff without disturbing the dev team. +> +> > I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm left unclear +> > how I can most effectively and quickly being helping out. Could I +> > get a bit of a directional nudge? +> +> Great question... for me I feel structure is the most important thing +> to sort out first. However we desperately need detailed testcases for +> the release of a new version. - Not too much on the change log stuff, +> more on the noddy stuff (as gavin points out below), downloading and +> making sure it works on a non dev machine, make sure the wallet isnt +> overwritten, etc.) doing games qa I imagine this would be an ideal +> place for you to start. I have a MSDN and TechNet licence so if you +> need some reference ms virtual machines I can help you out. +> +> However we need some testcase software. Please check out what was +> done on bettermeans for the stuff I was planning out... +> +> It details everything from recompense and testcases. bettermeans kinda +> died a death though... +> +> check out: +> +> Bitcoin over all- +> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/wiki/Page_index +> discussion +> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/boards +> +> 0.7 +> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/boards +> and +> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/wiki +> +> I still have the testcases, but until we get some proper testcase +> software I am loathed to publish them in a half arsed format. (they +> worked well on bettermeans, then just vanished one day...) what +> testcase software are you familiar with? +> +> apart from that, what do you feel you can do for the project? how long +> have you been involved in bitcoin? It may well be worth reading up +> all the dev stuff on the wiki so you can get you head around how the +> bitcoin protocol is different from the daemon and qt client. What do +> you think you can and will enjoy doing? What is your skill set in +> regard to networking, crypto and operating systems. (not that you need +> any, in any we still want and need you. :) +> +> there really is room for you to do whatever role you want, and as +> little or as much as you want - however funding is now a very tricky +> issue. so much so that I am not sure I want anything to do with +> it(distribution of coin based on work.). - I just paid for some logo +> spec work out of my own pocket (for example). I have some testers i +> know irl who are willing to work for coin. +> +> NOTE: This response has nothing to do with the bitcoin foundation. I +> am not a member of the foundation. I do not speak for them or even +> probably with them. I am still trying to work out how much qa the +> foundation should be responsible for, and/how it is supposed to work. +> I think the games cert process would be ideal for this. This however +> this a discussion that probably wont have my involvement. (personally +> I believe that the foundation should publish requirements with example +> code and testcases for each aspect of the reference client. (on +> reference platforms - I do not expect many to agree with this though) +> +> As a side note, what happens to the donations to the bitcoin testing +> project? do they get moved over to the foundation? this question is +> bigger than this email. as far as I know they are all on an address +> Gavin holds. Actually I would like to be involved in any discussions +> that would impact QA, does this mean I need to join the foundation or +> just go lone wolf? +> +> tbh I dont really understand foundations. I always thought they were +> just a tax dodge. +> +> Sorry for the long message. :) +> +> > +> > Arklan +> > +> > ---------- As long as there is light, the darkness holds no fear. +> > And yet, even in the deepest black, there is life. - Arklan Uth +> > Oslin +> > +> > I want to leave this world the same way I came into it: backwards +> > and on fire. - Arklan Uth Oslin +> > +> > +> > +> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, steve <steve@mistfpga.net> +> > wrote: +> > +> > Hi Gavin, +> > +> > Sorry for the delayed response, I wanted to take a couple of days +> > to reflect on your email. +> > +> > On 26/09/2012 19:09, Gavin Andresen wrote: +> > +> > +> > And their are other methods too. +> > +> > +> > +> > The GUI::Test package for perl will allow this to be greatly +> > automated. (I have done this before on the localisation of +> > photoshop.) +> > +> > +> > +> > this why we need detailed testscripts and plans. so we know what +> > has and hasnt been done. The more boring the task the more work +> > that needs to go into testcase development. This is the area I see +> > as my greatest failing last time. I have a large number of virtual +> > machines and should have at least this work. But we need very +> > detailed testcases. with decent testplans just downloading the +> > software, syncing the block chain, syncing an existing wallet, +> > rescanning the blockchain and verifying the balance would cover a +> > large number of tests. The idea behind having lots of very +> > specific testcases is you get to see what tests have not been run. +> > +> > +> > +> > I understand your concern, however I have taken a couple of days +> > to reflect on this and I still strongly feel that in order to make +> > sure that this sticks, and is still useful in 1 years time we need +> > to lay proper foundations. Those foundations are not word +> > documents, spreadsheets, etc. they are selecting the right tools +> > for the job. +> > +> > We can gain so much benefit from using 3rd party software. +> > (bettermeans would rock if it wasnt rotting) +> > +> > I am sure you could do your coding work just using vi, but an sdk +> > makes it much easier and allows you to work in a more productive +> > manner. +> > +> > I have had a couple of off list emails with some testers and they +> > also feel that it is very important to make sure we have a sound +> > foundation (mantis is so much more than just a bug reporting tool, +> > I see the bug reporting functionality as secondary to the main test +> > run functionality - but it doesnt have to be mantis based, we do +> > need workflow and testcase software though - and proper software +> > for this is much better than just a massive google doc.) however I +> > am checking out some other software that has been recommended. It +> > will be very hard to change 'the process' once we have something we +> > are used too (just look at the current resistance) I promise +> > nothing will change for the dev team. But test does need other +> > tools, and processes. +> > +> > If you feel that strongly that I am going about this the wrong way, +> > I am happy to step back and let someone else sort it out (I will +> > still do all the testing I possibly can). I would feel that this +> > would be a real shame and we have the chance to setup requirements +> > to functionality to tests all with traceability. why not do it +> > right from the start? +> > +> > I will open up my vps' somepoint over the next few days and you +> > can see what I mean. I will setup a fake git project, and sort out +> > the interactions. +> > +> > +> >> +> >> +> >> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> >> +> >> +> How fast is your code? +> >> 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in +> >> production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics +> >> Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? +> >> http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html +> >> _______________________________________________ +> >> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> >> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> >> +> > +> > +> > +> > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > +> > +> Got visibility? +> > Most devs has no idea what their production app looks like. Find +> > out how fast your code is with AppDynamics Lite. +> > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219671;13503038;y? +> > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html +> > +> > +> > +> > _______________________________________________ Bitcoin-development +> > mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > +> +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) +> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ +> +> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQaaieAAoJEFvEB9dQFvtQUi0H/3Eh72DqxwBt6AeNos/hJNqQ +> ZowMNFRupJQM301EJ7SPQmcnVuc3RF2Jw//ckpAqdpkqhHCgGO9HX/q+Ic2A9erQ +> CfKbUOwQgqKuLQTZ8eT5UMh969Uw8PMazo711d2I23etU0VhSK/MvjB5IiYIq5fB +> RJdCEluwvACaiftqfm4RA9HXXJGMnsZtlSWjVQCkg2FyYZKfpctEFdGCg6R8IaP7 +> ypyglR7TfygcjhUMHeWkQQCP2m2gBOHpx9H99uNBosF+6pLBhCiGUrwVkl8HUiiN +> 4YfhsvoRQ0BWNgvO9wH1H4EyyZtJsE7S926BNkhd4uewWGV/qe8gML+uJRstPDg= +> =L66i +> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> Got visibility? +> Most devs has no idea what their production app looks like. +> Find out how fast your code is with AppDynamics Lite. +> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219671;13503038;y? +> http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> + + + +-- +------------------------------ + +[image: CoinLab Logo]PETER VESSENES +CEO + +*peter@coinlab.com * / 206.486.6856 / SKYPE: vessenes +811 FIRST AVENUE / SUITE 480 / SEATTLE, WA 98104 + +--14dae9340de767cc4b04cb023b9e +Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +I'm a big proponent of a testing project.<div><br></div><div>I think if= + one could self organize that Gavin and team wanted to bless we could put u= +p some BTC as bounties or funding. We won't have our heads around the f= +oundation budget for a few more weeks, but self-organization is often slowe= +r than budgeting. :)</div> + +<div><br></div><div>This is just my opinion, but I would like very, very mu= +ch to move the current specification into unit tests so that anyone could v= +alidate their alternate bitcoin implementation. This is a lot of work, some= + of which has been done, much of which hasn't.=A0</div> + +<div><br></div><div>So, my two cents, plus an offer to bring it up at our n= +ext budgeting meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><= +div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM, ste= +ve <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:steve@mistfpga.net" target=3D"_b= +lank">steve@mistfpga.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> + +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS= +AGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA1<br> +<br> +</div><div class=3D"im">On 01/10/2012 14:52, Arklan Uth Oslin wrote:<br> +> Hi guys.<br> +><br> +> So, as I mentioned on the <a href=3D"http://bitcointalk.org" target=3D= +"_blank">bitcointalk.org</a> forums thread about the<br> +> foundation, I want to get involved in the QA side of bitcoin<br> +> development. I've done functional testing in the video game<br> +> industry for years.<br> +<br> +</div>Nice one, I worked in games for quite a few years. (before getting<br= +> +into finance then pentesting) there are about 6 keen testers now.<br> +maybe we should get a bitcoin-test mailing list, where we can discuss<br> +stuff without disturbing the dev team.<br> +<div class=3D"im"><br> +> I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm left unclea= +r<br> +> how I can most effectively and quickly being helping out. Could I<br> +> get a bit of a directional nudge?<br> +<br> +</div>Great question... for me I feel structure is the most important thing= +<br> +to sort out first. =A0However we desperately need detailed testcases for<br= +> +the release of a new version. - Not too much on the change log stuff,<br> +more on the noddy stuff (as gavin points out below), downloading and<br> +making sure it works on a non dev machine, make sure the wallet isnt<br> +overwritten, etc.) doing games qa I imagine this would be an ideal<br> +place for you to start. =A0I have a MSDN and TechNet licence so if you<br> +need some reference ms virtual machines I can help you out.<br> +<br> +However we need some testcase software. =A0Please check out what was<br> +done on bettermeans for the stuff I was planning out...<br> +<br> +It details everything from recompense and testcases. bettermeans kinda<br> +died a death though...<br> +<br> +check out:<br> +<br> +Bitcoin over all-<br> +<a href=3D"https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/wiki/Page_index" ta= +rget=3D"_blank">https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/wiki/Page_inde= +x</a><br> +discussion<br> +<a href=3D"https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/boards" target=3D"_= +blank">https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4180/boards</a><br> +<br> +0.7<br> +<a href=3D"https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/boards" target=3D"_= +blank">https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/boards</a><br> +and<br> +<a href=3D"https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/wiki" target=3D"_bl= +ank">https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/4256/wiki</a><br> +<br> +I still have the testcases, but until we get some proper testcase<br> +software I am loathed to publish them in a half arsed format. (they<br> +worked well on bettermeans, then just vanished one day...) what<br> +testcase software are you familiar with?<br> +<br> +apart from that, what do you feel you can do for the project? how long<br> +have you been involved in bitcoin? =A0It may well be worth reading up<br> +all the dev stuff on the wiki so you can get you head around how the<br> +bitcoin protocol is different from the daemon and qt client. What do<br> +you think you can and will enjoy doing? What is your skill set in<br> +regard to networking, crypto and operating systems. (not that you need<br> +any, in any we still want and need you. :)<br> +<br> +there really is room for you to do whatever role you want, and as<br> +little or as much as you want - however funding is now a very tricky<br> +issue. so much so that I am not sure I want anything to do with<br> +it(distribution of coin based on work.). - I just paid for some logo<br> +spec work out of my own pocket (for example). =A0I have some testers i<br> +know irl who are willing to work for coin.<br> +<br> +NOTE: This response has nothing to do with the bitcoin foundation. =A0I<br> +am not a member of the foundation. I do not speak for them or even<br> +probably with them. I am still trying to work out how much qa the<br> +foundation should be responsible for, and/how it is supposed to work.<br> +I think the games cert process would be ideal for this. =A0This however<br> +this a discussion that probably wont have my involvement. =A0(personally<br= +> +I believe that the foundation should publish requirements with example<br> +code and testcases for each aspect of the reference client. (on<br> +reference platforms - I do not expect many to agree with this though)<br> +<br> +As a side note, what happens to the donations to the bitcoin testing<br> +project? do they get moved over to the foundation? this question is<br> +bigger than this email. as far as I know they are all on an address<br> +Gavin holds. Actually I would like to be involved in any discussions<br> +that would impact QA, does this mean I need to join the foundation or<br> +just go lone wolf?<br> +<br> +tbh I dont really understand foundations. =A0I always thought they were<br> +just a tax dodge.<br> +<br> +Sorry for the long message. :)<br> +<div class=3D"im"><br> +><br> +> Arklan<br> +><br> +> ---------- As long as there is light, the darkness holds no fear.<br> +> And yet, even in the deepest black, there is life. - Arklan Uth<br> +> Oslin<br> +><br> +> I want to leave this world the same way I came into it: backwards<br> +> and on fire. - Arklan Uth Oslin<br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, steve <<a href=3D"mailto:steve@mi= +stfpga.net">steve@mistfpga.net</a>><br> +> wrote:<br> +><br> +</div><div><div class=3D"h5">> Hi Gavin,<br> +><br> +> Sorry for the delayed response, I wanted to take a couple of days<br> +> to reflect on your email.<br> +><br> +> On 26/09/2012 19:09, Gavin Andresen wrote:<br> +><br> +><br> +> And their are other methods too.<br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> The GUI::Test package for perl will allow this to be greatly<br> +> automated. (I have done this before on the localisation of<br> +> photoshop.)<br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> this why we need detailed testscripts and plans. =A0so we know what<br= +> +> has and hasnt been done. The more boring the task the more work<br> +> that needs to go into testcase development. =A0This is the area I see<= +br> +> as my greatest failing last time. =A0I have a large number of virtual<= +br> +> machines and should have at least this work. =A0But we need very<br> +> detailed testcases. =A0with decent testplans just downloading the<br> +> software, syncing the block chain, syncing an existing wallet,<br> +> rescanning the blockchain and verifying the balance would cover a<br> +> large number of tests. =A0The idea behind having lots of very<br> +> specific testcases is you get to see what tests have not been run.<br> +><br> +><br> +><br> +> I understand your concern, however I have taken a couple of days<br> +> to reflect on this and I still strongly feel that in order to make<br> +> sure that this sticks, and is still useful in 1 years time we need<br> +> to lay proper foundations. Those foundations are not word<br> +> documents, spreadsheets, etc. =A0they are selecting the right tools<br= +> +> for the job.<br> +><br> +> We can gain so much benefit from using 3rd party software.<br> +> (bettermeans would rock if it wasnt rotting)<br> +><br> +> I am sure you could do your coding work just using vi, but an sdk<br> +> makes it much easier and allows you to work in a more productive<br> +> manner.<br> +><br> +> I have had a couple of off list emails with some testers and they<br> +> also feel that it is very important to make sure we have a sound<br> +> foundation (mantis is so much more than just a bug reporting tool,<br> +> I see the bug reporting functionality as secondary to the main test<br= +> +> run functionality - but it doesnt have to be mantis based, we do<br> +> need workflow and testcase software though - and proper software<br> +> for this is much better than just a massive google doc.) however I<br> +> am checking out some other software that has been recommended. =A0It<b= +r> +> will be very hard to change 'the process' once we have somethi= +ng we<br> +> are used too (just look at the current resistance) I promise<br> +> nothing will change for the dev team. =A0But test does need other<br> +> tools, and processes.<br> +><br> +> If you feel that strongly that I am going about this the wrong way,<br= +> +> I am happy to step back and let someone else sort it out (I will<br> +> still do all the testing I possibly can). I would feel that this<br> +> would be a real shame and we have the chance to setup requirements<br> +> to functionality to tests all with traceability. why not do it<br> +> right from the start?<br> +><br> +> I will open up my vps' somepoint over the next few days and you<br= +> +> can see what I mean. I will setup a fake git project, and sort out<br> +> the interactions.<br> +><br> +><br> +>><br> +>><br> +</div></div><div class=3D"im">>> ------------------------------------= +------------------------------------------<br> +>><br> +>><br> +How fast is your code?<br> +>> 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in<br> +>> production. 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