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| author | slush <slush@centrum.cz> | 2013-10-24 20:26:47 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2013-10-24 18:27:24 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP0039 Mnemonic code for generating deterministic keys
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[URIs: doubleclick.net] + 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider + (slush[at]centrum.cz) + 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message +X-Headers-End: 1VZPcx-00032K-4i +Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP0039 Mnemonic code for generating + deterministic keys +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 +Precedence: list +List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:27:24 -0000 + +--001a11c25004998eec04e980c8c7 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 + +We've reflected many comments about BIP39 wordlist from the community and I +think the wordlist is much better now. Specifically we removed many of +theoretically offensive words as well as we implemented algorithm for +detecting words with similar characters (cat/eat) and we resolved these +duplicities. I'm now quite happy with the wordlist and I want to ask you +for next (final?) round of comments. + +From other features, we added password protection of seed and seed +hardening (against bruteforcing) using Rijndael cipher. This has been +chosen because its blocksize can be 128, 192 or 256 bits, so it fits length +of desired seeds. Also there are Rijndael implementations in every +language. Btw password protection has one interesting feature - plausible +deniability. It allows user to have one mnemonic and by using it with +different passwords, it will generate different BIP32 wallets.... (wink +wink) + +I want to be pretty clear that we need to close this topic somehow, because +we want to use such algorithm in Trezor (which deadline is coming quick) +and also other wallet developers want to implement such algorithm into +clients to be compatible with Trezor. There were quite strict requirements +for such algorithm (like the possibility to convert mnemonic to seed as +well as seed to mnemonic) and I think we found a good solution. I'm wildly +asking you for constructive comments, but saying "it's a crap, I don't like +it" won't help anything. + +Thanks, +slush + + +On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Matthew Mitchell < +matthewmitchell@godofgod.co.uk> wrote: + +> I removed some more but I haven't added enough back in. It was taking far +> longer than expected so I gave up, but maybe someone else can try to add +> some more: +> +> +> https://github.com/MatthewLM/python-mnemonic/blob/master/mnemonic/wordlist/english.txt +> +> On 12 Sep 2013, at 13:11, Pavol Rusnak <stick@gk2.sk> wrote: +> +> > On 10/09/13 23:03, Matthew Mitchell wrote: +> >> Maybe it would have been better without the aggressive words? +> > +> > I revisited the wordlist and replaced around 67 words that can be +> > found offensive in some context. +> > +> > -- +> > Best Regards / S pozdravom, +> > +> > Pavol Rusnak <stick@gk2.sk> +> > +> > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: +> > 1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT +> > 2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT +> > 3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks +> > +> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=51271111&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk +> > _______________________________________________ +> > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: +> 1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT +> 2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT +> 3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks +> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=51271111&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> + +--001a11c25004998eec04e980c8c7 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">We've reflected many comments about BIP39 wordlist fro= +m the community and I think the wordlist is much better now. Specifically w= +e removed many of theoretically offensive words as well as we implemented a= +lgorithm for detecting words with similar characters (cat/eat) and we resol= +ved these duplicities. I'm now quite happy with the wordlist and I want= + to ask you for next (final?) round of comments.<div> + +<br></div><div>From other features, we added password protection of seed an= +d seed hardening (against bruteforcing) using Rijndael cipher. This has bee= +n chosen because its blocksize can be 128, 192 or 256 bits, so it fits leng= +th of desired seeds. Also there are Rijndael implementations in every langu= +age. Btw password protection has one interesting feature - plausible deniab= +ility. It allows user to have one mnemonic and by using it with different p= +asswords, it will generate different BIP32 wallets.... (wink wink)</div> + +<div><br></div><div style>I want to be pretty clear that we need to close t= +his topic somehow, because we want to use such algorithm in Trezor (which d= +eadline is coming quick) and also other wallet developers want to implement= + such algorithm into clients to be compatible with Trezor. There were quite= + strict requirements for such algorithm (like the possibility to convert mn= +emonic to seed as well as seed to mnemonic) and I think we found a good sol= +ution. I'm wildly asking you for constructive comments, but saying &quo= +t;it's a crap, I don't like it" won't help anything.</div> + +<div style><br></div><div style>Thanks,</div><div style>slush</div></div><d= +iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 12,= + 2013 at 6:02 PM, Matthew Mitchell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= +matthewmitchell@godofgod.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">matthewmitchell@godofgod.= +co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br> + +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I removed some more but I haven't added = +enough back in. It was taking far longer than expected so I gave up, but ma= +ybe someone else can try to add some more:<br> + + +<br> +<a href=3D"https://github.com/MatthewLM/python-mnemonic/blob/master/mnemoni= +c/wordlist/english.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/MatthewLM/pyth= +on-mnemonic/blob/master/mnemonic/wordlist/english.txt</a><br> +<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> +On 12 Sep 2013, at 13:11, Pavol Rusnak <<a href=3D"mailto:stick@gk2.sk">= +stick@gk2.sk</a>> wrote:<br> +<br> +> On 10/09/13 23:03, Matthew Mitchell wrote:<br> +>> Maybe it would have been better without the aggressive words?<br> +><br> +> I revisited the wordlist and replaced around 67 words that can be<br> +> found offensive in some context.<br> +><br> +> --<br> +> Best Regards / S pozdravom,<br> +><br> +> Pavol Rusnak <<a href=3D"mailto:stick@gk2.sk">stick@gk2.sk</a>><= +br> +><br> +> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= +--------<br> +> How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments:<br> +> 1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT<b= +r> +> 2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT<br> +> 3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks<= +br> +> <a href=3D"http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=3D51271111&am= +p;iu=3D/4140/ostg.clktrk" target=3D"_blank">http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net= +/gampad/clk?id=3D51271111&iu=3D/4140/ostg.clktrk</a><br> +> _______________________________________________<br> +> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-d= +evelopment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-develo= +pment" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitco= +in-development</a><br> +<br> +</div></div><br>-----------------------------------------------------------= +-------------------<br> +How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments:<br> +1. Consolidate legacy IT systems to a single system of record for IT<br> +2. Standardize and globalize service processes across IT<br> +3. Implement zero-touch automation to replace manual, redundant tasks<br> +<a href=3D"http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=3D51271111&iu= +=3D/4140/ostg.clktrk" target=3D"_blank">http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gam= +pad/clk?id=3D51271111&iu=3D/4140/ostg.clktrk</a><br>___________________= +____________________________<br> + + +Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= +pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= +" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= +velopment</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--001a11c25004998eec04e980c8c7-- + + |