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authorMark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>2014-04-26 10:00:23 -0700
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+I think you're misunderstanding the point. The way you get IsStandard
+changed is that you make an application-oriented BIP detailing the use
+of some new standard transaction type (say, generalized hash-locked
+transactions for atomic swaps). We then discuss that proposal for its
+technical merits and reach consensus about the best way to do, for
+example, cross-chain atomic swaps. It is then implemented.
+
+So please, focus on some BIP(s) detailing applications of hash-locked
+transactions, and we will engage more constructively -- I promise that I
+will as cross-chain atomic swaps scratch my itch as well.
+
+On 04/25/2014 01:48 PM, Tier Nolan wrote:
+> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org
+> <mailto:luke@dashjr.org>> wrote:
+>
+> They define standard for interoperability between
+> software. So, if you want nodes to relay these transactions, you need to
+> convince them, not merely write a BIP for the transaction format.
+>
+>
+> I agree with you in theory, each miner could decide their inclusion
+> rules for themselves.
+>
+> In practice, if the reference client is updated, then most miners will
+> accept those transactions. In addition, it would eventually propagate
+> to alt-coins (or at least the supported ones).
+>
+> I could simply submit the changes as a pull request for the reference
+> client, but I was hoping that by doing it this way, it would increase
+> the odds of it being accepted.
+>
+>
+> Defining a BIP for cross-chain trading would be one way to do that.
+>
+>
+> I don't think it quite requires the same coordination in the short
+> term. I could write up the sequence as an info BIP.
+>
+> The malleability "issue" has been known for years.
+> I wouldn't expect any special effort made to fix it...
+>
+>
+> It is possible to tweak the protocol so that it still works. However,
+> it means that 3rd parties are required (that could go in the BIP too).
+>
+>
+> There is some ongoing discussion of a softfork to basically redo the
+> Script
+> language entirely, but it will take quite a bit of time and
+> development before
+> we'll see it in the wild.
+>
+>
+> Implementing multi-P2SH gets a lot of the benefits of MAST, in terms of
+> efficiency.
+>
+>
+>
+> Luke
+>
+> P.S. Did the BIP editor assign these numbers? If not, best to keep them
+> numberless until assigned, to avoid confusion when people Google the
+> real BIP
+> 44 and 45...
+>
+>
+> Not yet, but that is just my personal repo. I did email gmaxwell, but
+> he said that they can't be assigned until some discussion has happened.
+>
+> I take your point that the name appears in the link though, so could
+> cause issues with searching.
+>
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