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| author | Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> | 2015-09-08 14:13:16 +0100 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-09-08 13:13:18 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion
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Arguably, there is no need to ever +> reduce the max block size unless technology advances for some reason reverse +> course - aka, WW3 takes a toll on the internet and the average bandwidth +> available halves. The likelihood of significant technology contraction in +> the near future seems rather unlikely and is more broadly problematic for +> society than bitcoin specifically. +> +> The only reason for reducing the max block limit other than technology +> availability is if you think that this is what will produce the fee market, +> which is back to an economic discussion - not a technology scaling +> discussion. +> +> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev +> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +>> +>> > but allow meaningful relief to transaction volume pressure in response +>> > to true market demand +>> +>> If blocksize can only increase then it's like a market that only goes +>> up which is unrealistic. Transaction will volume ebb and flow +>> significantly. Some people have been looking at transaction volume +>> charts over time and all they can see is an exponential curve which +>> they think will go on forever, yet nothing goes up forever and it will +>> go through significant trend cycles (like everything does). If you +>> dont want to hurt the fee market, the blocksize has to be elastic and +>> allow contraction as well as expansion. +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> + |