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author | Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com> | 2022-12-13 13:33:00 +0200 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] A proposal for Full RBF to not exclude Zero Conf use case
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charset="UTF-8" + +I dont think there was anything technical with the implementation and as +far as I can tell this is well developed and ready. + +The reasons I can find for not being adopted are listed here - +https://bitcoincore.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/ under - Why not First-seen-safe +Replace-by-fee + + Those reasons do not seem pertinent here - given OptinRBF already exists +as an option and the added benefit of continuing to be able to support +0-conf. + +________________________________ + +Daniel Lipshitz +GAP600| www.gap600.com +Phone: +44 113 4900 117 +Skype: daniellipshitz123 +Twitter: @daniellipshitz + + +On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:59 AM John Carvalho <john@synonym.to> wrote: + +> Why wasn't this solution put in place back then? Are there problems with +> the design? +> +> While I still think there are unhealthy side-effects of Full-RBF (like +> more doublespending at unknowing merchants, after years of FSS protection) +> I think discussion of this FSS-RBF feature is worth considering. +> +> -- +> John Carvalho +> CEO, Synonym.to <http://synonym.to/> +> +> +> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 8:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com> wrote: +> +>> Thank you for bringing that to my attention, apologies for not being +>> aware of it. +>> +>> First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here +>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html +>> by Peter Todd seems to be a very suitable option and route +>> which balances FullRBF while retaining the significant 0-conf use case. +>> +>> This would seem like a good way forward. +>> +>> +>> +>> ________________________________ +>> +>> +>> +>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch@woobling.org> +>> wrote: +>> +>>> +>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html +>>> +>> + +--00000000000021004405efb3fcbe +Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">I dont think there was anything technical with the impleme= +ntation and as far as I can tell this is well developed and ready.<div><br>= +</div><div>The reasons I can find for not being adopted are listed here -= +=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://bitcoincore.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/">https://bitcoin= +core.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/</a> under - Why not First-seen-safe Replace-by-f= +ee=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0Those reasons do not seem pertinent= +=C2=A0here - given OptinRBF already exists as an option and the added benef= +it of continuing=C2=A0to be able to support 0-conf.</div><div><br clear=3D"= +all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmai= +l_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size= +:12.8px">________________________________</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8= +px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-se= +rif">Daniel Lipshitz</font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0= +,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">GAP600|=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www= +.gap600.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.gap600.com</a></font></div><div style= +=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Ph= +one:=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.= +8px">+44 113 4900 117</span></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(= +0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Skype: daniellipshitz123</font></= +div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, = +sans-serif">Twitter: @daniellipshitz</font></div></div></div></div></div></= +div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= +=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:59 AM John Carvalho <<a href= +=3D"mailto:john@synonym.to">john@synonym.to</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq= +uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p= +x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Why wasn't = +this solution put in=C2=A0place back then? Are there problems with the desi= +gn?<div><br></div><div>While I still think there are unhealthy side-effects= + of Full-RBF (like more doublespending at unknowing=C2=A0merchants, after y= +ears of FSS protection) I think discussion of this FSS-RBF feature is worth= + considering.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D= +"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">--</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(3= +4,34,34)"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div dir=3D"ltr">J= +ohn Carvalho</div><div dir=3D"ltr">CEO,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://synonym.to/"= + style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">Synonym.to</a><br><div><f= +ont size=3D"1"><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><= +br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,= + Dec 13, 2022 at 8:09 AM Daniel Lipshitz <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@gap60= +0.com" target=3D"_blank">daniel@gap600.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockqu= +ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px= + solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you for br= +inging that to my attention, apologies for not being aware of it.<div><br><= +/div><div>First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here=C2=A0<a href=3D"h= +ttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html= +" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pi= +permail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html</a>=C2=A0 by Peter Todd=C2=A0<span= + style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>seems to be a very= + suitable option and route which=C2=A0balances FullRBF while retaining=C2= +=A0 the significant=C2=A00-conf use case.</div><div><br></div><div>This wou= +ld seem like a good way forward.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b= +r><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style= +=3D"font-size:12.8px">________________________________</div><div style=3D"f= +ont-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div>= +</div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir= +=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman = +<<a href=3D"mailto:nothingmuch@woobling.org" target=3D"_blank">nothingmu= +ch@woobling.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= +tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= +ding-left:1ex"><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitco= +in-dev/2015-May/008248.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://l= +ists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html</a><br> +</blockquote></div> +</blockquote></div> +</blockquote></div> + +--00000000000021004405efb3fcbe-- + |