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| author | Wendell <w@grabhive.com> | 2013-09-04 21:47:09 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2013-09-04 21:10:29 +0000 |
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[Bitcoin-development] An "app store" and non-network transaction fees
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[109.163.233.194]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id + bn13sm43125794eeb.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 + (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); + Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:10:19 -0700 (PDT) +Sender: Wendell <wendel@314t.com> +From: Wendell <w@grabhive.com> +Content-Type: multipart/signed; + boundary="Apple-Mail=_E0EA7689-FC5B-40C9-AAF4-687A5872528F"; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 +Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:47:09 +0200 +To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +Message-Id: <879EBFD7-3047-4ECD-B03B-941857F7970C@grabhive.com> +Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) +X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) +X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) +X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. + See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. +X-Headers-End: 1VHKLL-0001aL-CP +Subject: [Bitcoin-development] An "app store" and non-network transaction + fees +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 +Precedence: list +List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:10:29 -0000 + + +--Apple-Mail=_E0EA7689-FC5B-40C9-AAF4-687A5872528F +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=us-ascii + +Hi everyone, + +Our OS X wallet "Hive" features an integrated application platform. We = +hope this will be a great way for folks new to Bitcoin to discover a = +variety of Bitcoin businesses, from exchanges, to merchants, to games. = +The applications are locally hosted HTML/JS, and generally feature the = +most stripped-down UIs possible. We display them in a = +mobile-proportioned WebKit frame inside of Hive itself. Transaction = +requests within apps trigger native Cocoa dialogue boxes and everything = +feels nicely integrated and secure. + +Should Hive succeed in gaining a foothold, we hope that we may one day = +be able to sustain ourselves via an aggregate of very small fees on = +transactions within this app platform. We like the approach because it = +lets us stay focused on making Hive great, and keeping it free, but at = +the same time we recognize that it is a kind of obligatory middleman... = +With all that that implies? I'm not totally sure, and that's what the = +question is about. + +Obviously there are a couple of brain-dead approaches: We could track = +what users do in the app, and send the business a bill (with blockchain = +proof, of course). Or, we could avoid troubling the business and have = +each user send a micro-transaction to some address of our choosing. The = +first one is messy and essentially makes us spyware. The second one is = +technically difficult, making a mess of transaction history, balances, = +and possibly in-app price listings. I'm not happy with either, but would = +lean towards the second one if I had to choose. + +I'm not 100% sure if this is the appropriate venue for it, but before we = +make that decision, I wanted to state our intentions and see if I could = +get some fresher ideas in the door. We want to be as ethical and = +(ideally) decentralized as possible -- priorities #1 and #2 -- but are = +otherwise open-minded. + +Some technical details for the curious: + +1) Yes, everything will be free software under a GPL license -- = +including the app store and the apps themselves! That may seem to be = +risky given our proposed business model, but we are open-minded and = +think we very much welcome the 'competition' of a would-be forker / hope = +we can work together. ;-) + +2) Although our BitcoinKit.framework supports both bitcoind and = +bitcoinj, we will be using bitcoinj with an integrated VM for the time = +being. The main draw is SPV, although to be honest we would prefer to = +support the network more via something like Peter Todd's partial UTXO = +sets idea (hint hint, anyone?). + +We will be at the conference in Amsterdam on the 27th of this month if = +any of you want to meet and discuss. + +Thanks for your time, +-wendell + +grabhive.com | twitter.com/grabhive | gpg: 6C0C9411 + + +--Apple-Mail=_E0EA7689-FC5B-40C9-AAF4-687A5872528F +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: attachment; + filename=signature.asc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; + name=signature.asc +Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) + +iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSJ449AAoJECAN2ykHU5Y6kLYQAJZbD0g/eG4UzJES4BVdeBBW +CYopZWciHU69qFkl3NYxp6gcLJMpS4+Ql9ujNcih07AA3yToRRHqGTKgoGPmSKxq +tWuIQXssuxjksugTLI9KNVOhsGWZO9rs5I4vnFM5qN07pnuHv+pX6IBNZrbyax9q +sd3cdIVqVNAiXk8FswxNVtv4yWBsve21Z0YIiL9qUWtoiN+Cgp9ZEN+wrxXqTwS9 +8uwHOkLlWJkYODCqdY4YwfssWlLxsIrR69ouGrgjINA9tRaPsuIB3N4Do4t/LvmZ +xoC8WaL3SlMrBQJPHtGkdhyvj5tDQPRfEWXiXTiNDupWmjylrhIQWpfAceoN7x/K +pzIocRV5AsCZdzbB2iIw6+OaGahjgVRQbmsJeJm3V4kVoYCC9CI5re3AJqfRqbRD +CVjnYyWUsTI0KNQj672PrYx10nwjUigkXboDYQPtfmgbnh85R6h+PZLoN19MLaqK +QhMCD75wSFWgpeUd512aPQVl/qtrbB4k+KlBy2H59GP9xbpxK/UEy/UoubdlNerA +w5tE9bPQ1B7AhSYZr53u5WbN/O4c0ht1GCGsAu/HaAE2KqhjPXVEioBLO2euJeCX +bZ2k9Zo1ktDyucrA/QRkbhMU1DPvAWXwUy9Nycx8cM2ol4jN9ezGOMDmURfriRSM +uGMf87NmN8tCFb2ykGt+ +=94nS +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Apple-Mail=_E0EA7689-FC5B-40C9-AAF4-687A5872528F-- + + |