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+On 4 May 2014 02:06, "Chris Pacia" <ctpacia@gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> Absent a concerted effort to move to something else other than 'bits', I
+> would be willing to bet the nomenclature moves in that direction anyway.
+> 'Bits' is just a shorten word for 'millibits' (or microbits, if you
+> will). It's easier to say and my guess is people would tend to use it
+> naturally own their own. Kind of like 'bucks' for dollars.
+>
+> The other synergies are:
+> -bit is part of the word Bitcoin. The currency unit bit is part of a
+> whole bitcoin.
+> -bit symbolically represents the tech nature of the bitcoin.
+> -bit used to be a unit of money way back when. This largely reclaims it.
+> -when used as money bit when in references to a precession metal coin.
+> The name 'bitcoin' references that as well as the mimicking of the gold
+> standard in the protocol rules.
+>
+> All around I don't think there is a better fit. I doubt people will get
+> confused by it. The context it's used in will distinguish it from other
+> uses of the word.
+>
+> On 05/03/2014 12:27 PM, Mike Caldwell wrote:
+> > I agree with the sentiment that most people don't understand either
+> computer science or Bitcoin. The goal of getting people to understand
+> enough about Bitcoin to use it is achievable and a goal that is "in scope"
+> of our efforts. Getting them to understand computer science at large at the
+> same time, less so.
+> >
+> > The fact that people routinely confuse RAM and hard drive sizes has much
+> to do with the fact that the average lay person has little need to
+> prioritize this as something to keep in the forefront. They don't get
+> "horribly" confused, they just simply don't get worked up over what looks
+> to them like a rounding error, much to the dismay of anyone who believes
+> that everyone should be an expert at computer science. The average joe may
+> assess (accurately from his perspective) that the distinction isn't
+> important enough to merit significant mental resources and he is justified
+> in not expending them that way even if someone else thinks he should.
+> >
+> > Poor understanding is precisely what a proper effort to name this would
+> be to avoid. It is not frill or aesthetics, it is a planned targeting of
+> language to achieve the clearest communication to the widest possible
+> target audience using the language most likely to be understood by them in
+> light of our objectives. It's marketing.
+> >
+> > Mike
+> >
+> > Sent from my iPhone
+> >
+> >> On May 3, 2014, at 9:49 AM, "Christophe Biocca" <
+> christophe.biocca@gmail.com> wrote:
+> >>
+> >> Context as a disambiguator works fine when the interlocutors
+> >> understand the topics they're talking about.
+> >> Not a day goes by without me seeing "neurotypical people" get horribly
+> >> confused between RAM and Hard Drive sizes, because they share the same
+> >> units (not that that can be helped, as the units are supposed to be
+> >> the same, base 1000 vs 1024 notwithstanding).
+> >>
+> >> Bit (as a unit) is already really confusing for anyone who doesn't
+> >> deal with it on a regular basis. I think people who don't see an issue
+> >> are making an assumption based on their own lack of confusion. We
+> >> understand computer science AND Bitcoin. Most people have zero
+> >> understanding of either.
+> >>
+> >> Bitcoin already has a ton of issues with terrible names for things:
+> >>
+> >> - Mining (for transaction validation).
+> >> - Addresses (which are meant to be one-time use, and don't even really
+> >> exist at the network level).
+> >> - Wallets (which don't hold your bitcoins, can be copied, and all
+> >> backups can be stolen from equally).
+> >>
+> >> I end up having to make the distinctions obvious every time I explain
+> >> Bitcoin to someone new to it. There's an acceptable tradeoff here,
+> >> because there were arguably no better words to assign to these
+> >> concepts (although I'd argue mining is a really awful metaphor, and is
+> >> the one that prompts the most questions from people). Then add to the
+> >> pile a bunch of third parties naming themselves after parts of the
+> >> protocol (Coinbase,Blockchain.info). Not blaming them for it, but I've
+> >> definitiely seen average people get confused between "the blockchain"
+> >> and "blockchain.info" (not so much Coinbase, because that name doesn't
+> >> come up in beginner explanations).
+> >>
+> >> It seems downright masochistic to add
+> >> yet-another-word-that-doesn't-mean-what-you-think-it-means to the pile
+> >> for no reason other than aesthetics. Are we actively trying to confuse
+> >> people?
+> >
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+<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 4 May 2014 02:06, &quot;Chris Pacia&quot; &lt=
+;<a href=3D"mailto:ctpacia@gmail.com">ctpacia@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br t=
+ype=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
+ .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Absent a concerted effort to move to something else other than &#39;bits&#3=
+9;, I<br>
+would be willing to bet the nomenclature moves in that direction anyway.<br=
+>
+&#39;Bits&#39; is just a shorten word for &#39;millibits&#39; (or microbits=
+, if you<br>
+will). It&#39;s easier to say and my guess is people would tend to use it<b=
+r>
+naturally own their own. Kind of like &#39;bucks&#39; for dollars.<br>
+<br>
+The other synergies are:<br>
+-bit is part of the word Bitcoin. The currency unit bit is part of a<br>
+whole bitcoin.<br>
+-bit symbolically represents the tech nature of the bitcoin.<br>
+-bit used to be a unit of money way back when. This largely reclaims it.<br=
+>
+-when used as money bit when in references to a precession metal coin.<br>
+The name &#39;bitcoin&#39; references that as well as the mimicking of the =
+gold<br>
+standard in the protocol rules.<br>
+<br>
+All around I don&#39;t think there is a better fit. I doubt people will get=
+<br>
+confused by it. The context it&#39;s used in will distinguish it from other=
+<br>
+uses of the word.<br>
+<br>
+On 05/03/2014 12:27 PM, Mike Caldwell wrote:<br>
+&gt; I agree with the sentiment that most people don&#39;t understand eithe=
+r computer science or Bitcoin. =C2=A0The goal of getting people to understa=
+nd enough about Bitcoin to use it is achievable and a goal that is &quot;in=
+ scope&quot; of our efforts. Getting them to understand computer science at=
+ large at the same time, less so.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The fact that people routinely confuse RAM and hard drive sizes has mu=
+ch to do with the fact that the average lay person has little need to prior=
+itize this as something to keep in the forefront. =C2=A0They don&#39;t get =
+&quot;horribly&quot; confused, they just simply don&#39;t get worked up ove=
+r what looks to them like a rounding error, much to the dismay of anyone wh=
+o believes that everyone should be an expert at computer science. =C2=A0The=
+ average joe may assess (accurately from his perspective) that the distinct=
+ion isn&#39;t important enough to merit significant mental resources and he=
+ is justified in not expending them that way even if someone else thinks he=
+ should.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Poor understanding is precisely what a proper effort to name this woul=
+d be to avoid. =C2=A0It is not frill or aesthetics, it is a planned targeti=
+ng of language to achieve the clearest communication to the widest possible=
+ target audience using the language most likely to be understood by them in=
+ light of our objectives. =C2=A0It&#39;s marketing.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mike<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On May 3, 2014, at 9:49 AM, &quot;Christophe Biocca&quot; &lt;<a h=
+ref=3D"mailto:christophe.biocca@gmail.com">christophe.biocca@gmail.com</a>&=
+gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Context as a disambiguator works fine when the interlocutors<br>
+&gt;&gt; understand the topics they&#39;re talking about.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Not a day goes by without me seeing &quot;neurotypical people&quot=
+; get horribly<br>
+&gt;&gt; confused between RAM and Hard Drive sizes, because they share the =
+same<br>
+&gt;&gt; units (not that that can be helped, as the units are supposed to b=
+e<br>
+&gt;&gt; the same, base 1000 vs 1024 notwithstanding).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Bit (as a unit) is already really confusing for anyone who doesn&#=
+39;t<br>
+&gt;&gt; deal with it on a regular basis. I think people who don&#39;t see =
+an issue<br>
+&gt;&gt; are making an assumption based on their own lack of confusion. We<=
+br>
+&gt;&gt; understand computer science AND Bitcoin. Most people have zero<br>
+&gt;&gt; understanding of either.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Bitcoin already has a ton of issues with terrible names for things=
+:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; - Mining (for transaction validation).<br>
+&gt;&gt; - Addresses (which are meant to be one-time use, and don&#39;t eve=
+n really<br>
+&gt;&gt; exist at the network level).<br>
+&gt;&gt; - Wallets (which don&#39;t hold your bitcoins, can be copied, and =
+all<br>
+&gt;&gt; backups can be stolen from equally).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I end up having to make the distinctions obvious every time I expl=
+ain<br>
+&gt;&gt; Bitcoin to someone new to it. There&#39;s an acceptable tradeoff h=
+ere,<br>
+&gt;&gt; because there were arguably no better words to assign to these<br>
+&gt;&gt; concepts (although I&#39;d argue mining is a really awful metaphor=
+, and is<br>
+&gt;&gt; the one that prompts the most questions from people). Then add to =
+the<br>
+&gt;&gt; pile a bunch of third parties naming themselves after parts of the=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; protocol (Coinbase,Blockchain.info). Not blaming them for it, but =
+I&#39;ve<br>
+&gt;&gt; definitiely seen average people get confused between &quot;the blo=
+ckchain&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; and &quot;<a href=3D"http://blockchain.info" target=3D"_blank">blo=
+ckchain.info</a>&quot; (not so much Coinbase, because that name doesn&#39;t=
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; come up in beginner explanations).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; It seems downright masochistic to add<br>
+&gt;&gt; yet-another-word-that-doesn&#39;t-mean-what-you-think-it-means to =
+the pile<br>
+&gt;&gt; for no reason other than aesthetics. Are we actively trying to con=
+fuse<br>
+&gt;&gt; people?<br>
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