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Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account
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It's easier to say and my guess is people would tend to use it +> naturally own their own. Kind of like 'bucks' for dollars. +> +> The other synergies are: +> -bit is part of the word Bitcoin. The currency unit bit is part of a +> whole bitcoin. +> -bit symbolically represents the tech nature of the bitcoin. +> -bit used to be a unit of money way back when. This largely reclaims it. +> -when used as money bit when in references to a precession metal coin. +> The name 'bitcoin' references that as well as the mimicking of the gold +> standard in the protocol rules. +> +> All around I don't think there is a better fit. I doubt people will get +> confused by it. The context it's used in will distinguish it from other +> uses of the word. +> +> On 05/03/2014 12:27 PM, Mike Caldwell wrote: +> > I agree with the sentiment that most people don't understand either +> computer science or Bitcoin. The goal of getting people to understand +> enough about Bitcoin to use it is achievable and a goal that is "in scope" +> of our efforts. Getting them to understand computer science at large at the +> same time, less so. +> > +> > The fact that people routinely confuse RAM and hard drive sizes has much +> to do with the fact that the average lay person has little need to +> prioritize this as something to keep in the forefront. They don't get +> "horribly" confused, they just simply don't get worked up over what looks +> to them like a rounding error, much to the dismay of anyone who believes +> that everyone should be an expert at computer science. The average joe may +> assess (accurately from his perspective) that the distinction isn't +> important enough to merit significant mental resources and he is justified +> in not expending them that way even if someone else thinks he should. +> > +> > Poor understanding is precisely what a proper effort to name this would +> be to avoid. It is not frill or aesthetics, it is a planned targeting of +> language to achieve the clearest communication to the widest possible +> target audience using the language most likely to be understood by them in +> light of our objectives. It's marketing. +> > +> > Mike +> > +> > Sent from my iPhone +> > +> >> On May 3, 2014, at 9:49 AM, "Christophe Biocca" < +> christophe.biocca@gmail.com> wrote: +> >> +> >> Context as a disambiguator works fine when the interlocutors +> >> understand the topics they're talking about. +> >> Not a day goes by without me seeing "neurotypical people" get horribly +> >> confused between RAM and Hard Drive sizes, because they share the same +> >> units (not that that can be helped, as the units are supposed to be +> >> the same, base 1000 vs 1024 notwithstanding). +> >> +> >> Bit (as a unit) is already really confusing for anyone who doesn't +> >> deal with it on a regular basis. I think people who don't see an issue +> >> are making an assumption based on their own lack of confusion. We +> >> understand computer science AND Bitcoin. Most people have zero +> >> understanding of either. +> >> +> >> Bitcoin already has a ton of issues with terrible names for things: +> >> +> >> - Mining (for transaction validation). +> >> - Addresses (which are meant to be one-time use, and don't even really +> >> exist at the network level). +> >> - Wallets (which don't hold your bitcoins, can be copied, and all +> >> backups can be stolen from equally). +> >> +> >> I end up having to make the distinctions obvious every time I explain +> >> Bitcoin to someone new to it. There's an acceptable tradeoff here, +> >> because there were arguably no better words to assign to these +> >> concepts (although I'd argue mining is a really awful metaphor, and is +> >> the one that prompts the most questions from people). Then add to the +> >> pile a bunch of third parties naming themselves after parts of the +> >> protocol (Coinbase,Blockchain.info). Not blaming them for it, but I've +> >> definitiely seen average people get confused between "the blockchain" +> >> and "blockchain.info" (not so much Coinbase, because that name doesn't +> >> come up in beginner explanations). +> >> +> >> It seems downright masochistic to add +> >> yet-another-word-that-doesn't-mean-what-you-think-it-means to the pile +> >> for no reason other than aesthetics. Are we actively trying to confuse +> >> people? +> > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE +> > Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get +> > unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform +> available. +> > Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." +> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs +> > _______________________________________________ +> > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > +> +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE +> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get +> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. +> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." +> http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> + +--f46d040fa00652c07d04f88c2566 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<p dir=3D"ltr">+1</p> +<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 4 May 2014 02:06, "Chris Pacia" <= +;<a href=3D"mailto:ctpacia@gmail.com">ctpacia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br t= +ype=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= + .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +Absent a concerted effort to move to something else other than 'bits= +9;, I<br> +would be willing to bet the nomenclature moves in that direction anyway.<br= +> +'Bits' is just a shorten word for 'millibits' (or microbits= +, if you<br> +will). It's easier to say and my guess is people would tend to use it<b= +r> +naturally own their own. Kind of like 'bucks' for dollars.<br> +<br> +The other synergies are:<br> +-bit is part of the word Bitcoin. The currency unit bit is part of a<br> +whole bitcoin.<br> +-bit symbolically represents the tech nature of the bitcoin.<br> +-bit used to be a unit of money way back when. This largely reclaims it.<br= +> +-when used as money bit when in references to a precession metal coin.<br> +The name 'bitcoin' references that as well as the mimicking of the = +gold<br> +standard in the protocol rules.<br> +<br> +All around I don't think there is a better fit. I doubt people will get= +<br> +confused by it. The context it's used in will distinguish it from other= +<br> +uses of the word.<br> +<br> +On 05/03/2014 12:27 PM, Mike Caldwell wrote:<br> +> I agree with the sentiment that most people don't understand eithe= +r computer science or Bitcoin. =C2=A0The goal of getting people to understa= +nd enough about Bitcoin to use it is achievable and a goal that is "in= + scope" of our efforts. Getting them to understand computer science at= + large at the same time, less so.<br> + +><br> +> The fact that people routinely confuse RAM and hard drive sizes has mu= +ch to do with the fact that the average lay person has little need to prior= +itize this as something to keep in the forefront. =C2=A0They don't get = +"horribly" confused, they just simply don't get worked up ove= +r what looks to them like a rounding error, much to the dismay of anyone wh= +o believes that everyone should be an expert at computer science. =C2=A0The= + average joe may assess (accurately from his perspective) that the distinct= +ion isn't important enough to merit significant mental resources and he= + is justified in not expending them that way even if someone else thinks he= + should.<br> + +><br> +> Poor understanding is precisely what a proper effort to name this woul= +d be to avoid. =C2=A0It is not frill or aesthetics, it is a planned targeti= +ng of language to achieve the clearest communication to the widest possible= + target audience using the language most likely to be understood by them in= + light of our objectives. =C2=A0It's marketing.<br> + +><br> +> Mike<br> +><br> +> Sent from my iPhone<br> +><br> +>> On May 3, 2014, at 9:49 AM, "Christophe Biocca" <<a h= +ref=3D"mailto:christophe.biocca@gmail.com">christophe.biocca@gmail.com</a>&= +gt; wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> Context as a disambiguator works fine when the interlocutors<br> +>> understand the topics they're talking about.<br> +>> Not a day goes by without me seeing "neurotypical people"= +; get horribly<br> +>> confused between RAM and Hard Drive sizes, because they share the = +same<br> +>> units (not that that can be helped, as the units are supposed to b= +e<br> +>> the same, base 1000 vs 1024 notwithstanding).<br> +>><br> +>> Bit (as a unit) is already really confusing for anyone who doesn&#= +39;t<br> +>> deal with it on a regular basis. I think people who don't see = +an issue<br> +>> are making an assumption based on their own lack of confusion. We<= +br> +>> understand computer science AND Bitcoin. Most people have zero<br> +>> understanding of either.<br> +>><br> +>> Bitcoin already has a ton of issues with terrible names for things= +:<br> +>><br> +>> - Mining (for transaction validation).<br> +>> - Addresses (which are meant to be one-time use, and don't eve= +n really<br> +>> exist at the network level).<br> +>> - Wallets (which don't hold your bitcoins, can be copied, and = +all<br> +>> backups can be stolen from equally).<br> +>><br> +>> I end up having to make the distinctions obvious every time I expl= +ain<br> +>> Bitcoin to someone new to it. There's an acceptable tradeoff h= +ere,<br> +>> because there were arguably no better words to assign to these<br> +>> concepts (although I'd argue mining is a really awful metaphor= +, and is<br> +>> the one that prompts the most questions from people). Then add to = +the<br> +>> pile a bunch of third parties naming themselves after parts of the= +<br> +>> protocol (Coinbase,Blockchain.info). Not blaming them for it, but = +I've<br> +>> definitiely seen average people get confused between "the blo= +ckchain"<br> +>> and "<a href=3D"http://blockchain.info" target=3D"_blank">blo= +ckchain.info</a>" (not so much Coinbase, because that name doesn't= +<br> +>> come up in beginner explanations).<br> +>><br> +>> It seems downright masochistic to add<br> +>> yet-another-word-that-doesn't-mean-what-you-think-it-means to = +the pile<br> +>> for no reason other than aesthetics. Are we actively trying to con= +fuse<br> +>> people?<br> +> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= +--------<br> +> "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For= + FREE<br> +> Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. =C2= +=A0Get<br> +> unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform avail= +able.<br> +> Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free."<br> +> <a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs" target=3D"_blank">http://p.s= +f.net/sfu/SauceLabs</a><br> +> _______________________________________________<br> +> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-d= +evelopment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-develo= +pment" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitco= +in-development</a><br> +><br> +<br> +<br> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------= +---<br> +"Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE= +<br> +Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. =C2=A0Get<= +br> +unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available.= +<br> +Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free."<br> +<a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs" target=3D"_blank">http://p.sf.net= +/sfu/SauceLabs</a><br> +_______________________________________________<br> +Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= +pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= +" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= +velopment</a><br> +</blockquote></div> + +--f46d040fa00652c07d04f88c2566-- + + |