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| author | Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> | 2015-07-31 10:27:45 -0500 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-07-31 15:27:49 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Why Satoshi's temporary anti-spam measure isn'ttemporary
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My reply was that +decentralized systems are going to have physical limitations that force +their solutions to look certain ways, which would do something like, for +example, explain why there were "$10 fees" in that original scenario in the +first place. Your reply does not seem to share this context? + +Also, I don't mean to start a discussion about internet architecture, but +ISP peering agreements do not look particularly like a cryptographic, +decentralized system to me at all. I agree that the internet needs better +architecture. I would call the IETF about this but I think Greg would be +the one to answer or something :-). Would be sorta redundant, heh. + +- Bryan +http://heybryan.org/ +1 512 203 0507 + +--089e0112bf7e39883b051c2d76f6 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T= +hu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gavin Andresen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= +=3D"mailto:gavinandresen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gavinandresen@gmail.c= +om</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= +in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gm= +ail_extra"><span class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015= + at 11:24 AM, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= +"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-de= +v@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g= +mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l= +eft:1ex">Because any decentralized system is going to have high transaction= + costs and scarcity anyway.</blockquote></div><br></span>This is a meme tha= +t keeps coming up that I think just isn't true.</div><div class=3D"gmai= +l_extra"></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div= + class=3D"gmail_extra">Specifically I was replying to the argument that wen= +t like "the bitcoin system, in any of its futures with a bunch of non-= +zero transaction fees, is going to be replaced by a decentralized system th= +at can commit to transactions that have lower or zero transaction fees, and= + which also otherwise provides the same benefits as bitcoin". My reply= + was that decentralized systems are going to have physical limitations that= + force their solutions to look certain ways, which would do something like,= + for example, explain why there were "$10 fees" in that original = +scenario in the first place. Your reply does not seem to share this context= +?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra= +">Also, I don't mean to start a discussion about internet architecture,= + but ISP peering agreements do not look particularly like a cryptographic, = +decentralized system to me at all. I agree that the internet needs better a= +rchitecture. I would call the IETF about this but I think Greg would be the= + one to answer or something :-). Would be sorta redundant, heh.</div><div c= +lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature">- Bryan<br><a= + href=3D"http://heybryan.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://heybryan.org/</a><b= +r>1 512 203 0507</div> +</div></div> + +--089e0112bf7e39883b051c2d76f6-- + |