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| author | NotMike Hearn <not.mike.hearn@gmail.com> | 2015-10-06 04:34:57 -0400 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-10-06 08:34:59 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork technical debate
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Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions +as much as they like. + +How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this by *imposing +additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that transactions +made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-CLTVers, but +for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are followed. The +obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid payments. +However, their software is already set up to request payments in a non-CLTV +way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients can +elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV. + +Problem solved! + +I am happy to have solved this problem for you all, and ended this discord +harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these words of founding +father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there's nothing we can't overcome". + + +On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> This is childish and very disappointing to see. +> +> 2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev < +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: +> +>> I prefer the term "clown". +>> +>> Can we please move on? +>> +>> ------ Original Message ------ +>> From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" < +>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +>> To: milly@bitcoins.info +>> Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>> Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM +>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork +>> technical debate +>> +>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM +>>>> From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" < +>>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +>>>> To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>>>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork +>>>> technical debate +>>>> On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote: +>>>> +>>>>> It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully. +>>>>> +>>>> +>>> "troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are terms generally used by +>>>> teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't +>>>> agree with them. +>>>> +>>> +>>> They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more +>>> professional... +>>> _______________________________________________ +>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list +>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +>>> +>> +>> _______________________________________________ +>> bitcoin-dev mailing list +>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +>> +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> +> + +--001a113eacda4a0dc605216b8154 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they= + want.<br><br>Some people want BIP65, others do not.<br><br>We can roll out= + 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but Mike and Peter R= + don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside each other). Ev= +en better, people can switch back and forth between versions as much as the= +y like.<br><br>How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this b= +y *imposing additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that tr= +ansactions made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-C= +LTVers, but for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are fo= +llowed. The obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid p= +ayments. However, their software is already set up to request payments in a= + non-CLTV way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clie= +nts can elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.<div><br></div><d= +iv>Problem solved!<br><br>I am happy to have solved this problem for you al= +l, and ended this discord harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, t= +hese words of founding father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there&#= +39;s nothing we can't overcome".<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"= +gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM,= + Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitco= +in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linux= +foundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= +tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div= + dir=3D"ltr">This is childish and very disappointing to see.</div><div clas= +s=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D= +"gmail_quote">2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <span= + dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" t= +arget=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span>:<br><= +blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= + #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I prefer the term "clown".<br> +<br> +Can we please move on?<br> +<br> +------ Original Message ------<br> +From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto:bitco= +in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linux= +foundation.org</a>><br> +To: <a href=3D"mailto:milly@bitcoins.info" target=3D"_blank">milly@bitcoins= +.info</a><br> +Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bla= +nk">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM<br> +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork tech= +nical debate<br> +<br> +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= +argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +=C2=A0Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM<br> +=C2=A0From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto= +:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists= +.linuxfoundation.org</a>><br> +=C2=A0To: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target= +=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +=C2=A0Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard for= +k technical debate<br> +=C2=A0On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br> +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +=C2=A0It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.<b= +r> +</blockquote></blockquote> +<br> +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +=C2=A0"troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are term= +s generally used by<br> +=C2=A0teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn&#= +39;t<br> +=C2=A0agree with them.<br> +</blockquote> +<br> +They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more professional..= +.<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote> +<br> +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote></div><br></div> +</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--001a113eacda4a0dc605216b8154-- + |