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author | Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> | 2013-11-14 15:01:49 -0500 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc
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As the user enters a value in one of the fields, +it would automatically update the other fields with the converted value +as they type. This makes it really difficult to get it wrong... if +you're typing "10" into the BTC field, thinking it's mBTC, you'll see +10,000 mBTC showing up in the other box as you type. Similarly, it +should display all units on all verification windows. Users may also +use it for sanity checking conversion between units. + +Personally, I'm of the opinion that this change is important in the long +run: the current price makes Bitcoin *intimidating* to new users. But +I'm also of the opinion that it's freakin' hard to change the base unit +in such an established system. There is no easy way to do this that +doesn't cause more heartache than it's worth. But it's possible if you +make it idiot-proof enough, and roll it out in the least inconvenient way. + +-Alan + + +On 11/14/2013 06:45 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: +> Rationale +> ======= +> +> Given the recent rise in value there seems to be anecdotal evidence +> that 1 bitcoin being so high is putting off a lot of normal buyers, +> because they feel that putting down $400+ and only getting "1 coin", +> or having to buy in multiples of 1 whole coin, is too much.. only +> after it being explained that they can buy fractional amounts to they +> regain interest, apparently happening increasingly. +> +> +> Straw Poll +> ======== +> +> 6 months ago there was a straw poll on this +> +> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220322.0 +> +> Roughly 2/3 of respondents favoured switching +> +> A further 20% said to switch after it hits 1000 +> +> Satoshi's comments: +> ================ +> +> Eventually at most only 21 million coins for 6.8 billion people in the +> world if it really gets huge. +> +> But don't worry, there are another 6 decimal places that aren't shown, +> for a total of 8 decimal places internally. It shows 1.00 but +> internally it's 1.00000000. If there's massive deflation in the +> future, the software could show more decimal places. +> +> If it gets tiresome working with small numbers, we could change where +> the display shows the decimal point. Same amount of money, just +> different convention for where the ","'s and "."'s go. e.g. moving +> the decimal place 3 places would mean if you had 1.00000 before, now +> it shows it as 1,000.00. +> +> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44.msg267#msg267 +> +> +> Would now be a good time to start thinking about changing the default +> display in the software. Perhaps initially it could be a dropdown +> display option, then at some point mbtc becomes the default? +> +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps +> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access +> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. +> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! +> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development + + +--------------010407060805040602080405 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + +<html> + <head> + <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" + http-equiv="Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> + I highly recommend that if we make any move towards this, that the + software show verification in both/all units. <br> + <br> + For instance, there should be 3 input fields, one for "BTC", one for + "mBTC" one for "uBTC". As the user enters a value in one of the + fields, it would automatically update the other fields with the + converted value as they type. This makes it really difficult to get + it wrong... if you're typing "10" into the BTC field, thinking it's + mBTC, you'll see 10,000 mBTC showing up in the other box as you + type. Similarly, it should display all units on all verification + windows. Users may also use it for sanity checking conversion + between units.<br> + <br> + Personally, I'm of the opinion that this change is important in the + long run: the current price makes Bitcoin <b>intimidating</b> to + new users. But I'm also of the opinion that it's freakin' hard to + change the base unit in such an established system. There is no + easy way to do this that doesn't cause more heartache than it's + worth. But it's possible if you make it idiot-proof enough, and + roll it out in the least inconvenient way.<br> + <br> + -Alan<br> + <br> + <br> + <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/14/2013 06:45 AM, Melvin Carvalho + wrote:<br> + </div> + <blockquote +cite="mid:CAKaEYhK4oXH3hB7uS3=AEkA6r0VB5OYyTua+LOP18rq+rYajHg@mail.gmail.com" + type="cite"> + <div dir="ltr"> + <div> + <div> + <div> + <div>Rationale<br> + =======<br> + </div> + <div><br> + Given the recent rise in value there seems to be + anecdotal evidence that 1 bitcoin being so high is + putting off a lot of normal buyers, because they feel + that putting down $400+ and only getting "1 coin", or + having to buy in multiples of 1 whole coin, is too + much.. only after it being explained that they can buy + fractional amounts to they regain interest, apparently + happening increasingly.<br> + <br> + <br> + </div> + <div>Straw Poll<br> + ========<br> + </div> + <div><br> + </div> + 6 months ago there was a straw poll on this<br> + <br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220322.0">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220322.0</a><br> + <br> + </div> + Roughly 2/3 of respondents favoured switching<br> + <br> + </div> + A further 20% said to switch after it hits 1000<br> + <br> + </div> + Satoshi's comments:<br> + ================<br> + <br> + Eventually at most only 21 million coins for 6.8 billion people + in the world if it really gets huge.<br> + <br> + But don't worry, there are another 6 decimal places that aren't + shown, for a total of 8 decimal places internally. It shows + 1.00 but internally it's 1.00000000. If there's massive + deflation in the future, the software could show more decimal + places.<br> + <br> + If it gets tiresome working with small numbers, we could change + where the display shows the decimal point. Same amount of + money, just different convention for where the ","'s and "."'s + go. e.g. moving the decimal place 3 places would mean if you + had 1.00000 before, now it shows it as 1,000.00.<br> + <br> + <a moz-do-not-send="true" + href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44.msg267#msg267">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44.msg267#msg267</a><br> + <div><br> + <br> + </div> + <div>Would now be a good time to start thinking about changing + the default display in the software. Perhaps initially it + could be a dropdown display option, then at some point mbtc + becomes the default?<br> + </div> + <div><br> + </div> + </div> + <br> + <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> + <br> + <pre wrap="">------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps +OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access +Free app hosting. 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