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| author | Alex Schoof <alex.schoof@gmail.com> | 2022-01-13 13:54:35 -0500 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund
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boundary="0000000000006c2ea105d57b38f6" +X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:11:59 +0000 +Cc: Prayank <prayank@tutanota.de>, info@bitcoindefensefund.org +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:54:51 -0000 + +--0000000000006c2ea105d57b38f6 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" + +> I also don't see why Alex or anyone should be denied the opportunity to +comment on future soft forks or anything about bitcoin. Alex should have no +more or less right to participate and his comments should be judged on +their merit, just like yours and mine. + +I think the concern is something like: "I disagree with a board member of +the defense fund about [insert contentious issue]. If I disagree with them +publicly (especially if there are clear economic implications in that +disagreement), am I putting myself at risk in the future where I won't be +able to get support from the fund because I spoke out against a board +member?" That kind of concern can be mitigated through policy and +governance, but is the kind of thing you want to tackle before it becomes +an issue. + +Cheers, + +(a different) Alex + +On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:49 PM Steve Lee via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> I think the word "The" is important. The title of the email and the name +> of the fund is Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. It is "a" legal defense fund; +> not THE Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. There is room for other funds and +> strategies and anyone is welcome to create alternatives. +> +> I also don't see why Alex or anyone should be denied the opportunity to +> comment on future soft forks or anything about bitcoin. Alex should have no +> more or less right to participate and his comments should be judged on +> their merit, just like yours and mine. +> +> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:37 AM Prayank via bitcoin-dev < +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +> +>> Hi Jack, +>> +>> +>> > The main purpose of this Fund is to defend developers from lawsuits +>> regarding their activities in the Bitcoin ecosystem, including finding and +>> retaining defense counsel, developing litigation strategy, and paying legal +>> bills. This is a free and voluntary option for developers to take advantage +>> of if they so wish. The Fund will start with a corps of volunteer and +>> part-time lawyers. The board of the Fund will be responsible for +>> determining which lawsuits and defendants it will help defend. +>> +>> Thanks for helping the developers in legal issues. Appreciate your +>> efforts and I understand your intentions are to help Bitcoin in every +>> possible way. +>> +>> +>> Positives that I see in this initiative: +>> +>> 1.Developers don't need to worry about rich scammers and can focus on +>> development. +>> +>> 2.Financial help for developers as legal issues can end up in wasting lot +>> of time and money. +>> +>> 3.People who have misused courts to affect bitcoin developers will get +>> better response that they deserve. +>> +>> +>> I had few suggestions and feel free to ignore them if they do not make +>> sense: +>> +>> 1.Name of this fund could be anything and 'The Bitcoin Legal Defense +>> Fund' can be confusing or misleading for newbies. There is nothing official +>> in Bitcoin however people believe things written in news articles and some +>> of them might consider it as an official bitcoin legal fund. +>> +>> 2.It would be better if people involved in such important funds do not +>> comment/influence soft fork related discussions. Example: Alex Morcos had +>> some opinions about activation mechanism during Taproot soft fork IIRC. +>> +>> +>> +>> -- +>> Prayank +>> +>> A3B1 E430 2298 178F +>> _______________________________________________ +>> bitcoin-dev mailing list +>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +>> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> + + +-- + + +Alex Schoof + +--0000000000006c2ea105d57b38f6 +Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">>=C2=A0I also don't see why Alex or anyone should b= +e denied the opportunity to comment on future soft forks or anything about = +bitcoin. Alex should have no more or less right to participate and his comm= +ents should=C2=A0be judged on their merit, just like yours and mine.<div><b= +r></div><div>I think the concern is something like: "I disagree with a= + board member of the defense fund about [insert contentious issue]. If I di= +sagree with them publicly (especially if there are clear economic implicati= +ons in that disagreement), am I putting myself at risk in the future where = +I won't be able to get support from the fund because I spoke out agains= +t a board member?" That kind of concern can be mitigated through polic= +y and governance, but is the kind of thing you want to tackle before it bec= +omes an issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>(a= + different) Alex</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= + class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:49 PM Steve Lee via bitcoin= +-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-d= +ev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g= +mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-= +left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div = +dir=3D"ltr">I think the word "The" is important. The title of the= + email and the name of the fund is Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. It is "= +a" legal defense fund; not THE Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund. There is ro= +om for other funds and strategies and anyone is welcome to create alternati= +ves.<div><br></div><div>I also don't see why Alex or anyone should be d= +enied the opportunity to comment on future soft forks or anything about bit= +coin. Alex should have no more or less right to participate and his comment= +s should=C2=A0be judged on their merit, just like yours and mine.</div></di= +v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On T= +hu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:37 AM Prayank via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:b= +itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.l= +inuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= +" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style= +:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> + =20 + =20 + =20 + <div> +<div>Hi Jack,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></= +div><div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0The main purpose of this Fund is to defend = +developers from lawsuits regarding their activities in the Bitcoin ecosyste= +m, including finding and retaining defense counsel, developing litigation s= +trategy, and paying legal bills. This is a free and voluntary option for de= +velopers to take advantage of if they so wish. The Fund will start with a c= +orps of volunteer and part-time lawyers. The board of the Fund will be resp= +onsible for determining which lawsuits and defendants it will help defend.<= +br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for helping t= +he developers in legal issues. Appreciate your efforts and I understand you= +r intentions are to help Bitcoin in every possible way.<br></div><div dir= +=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Positives= + that I see in this initiative:<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d= +ir=3D"auto">1.Developers don't need to worry about rich scammers and ca= +n focus on development.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au= +to">2.Financial help for developers as legal issues can end up in wasting l= +ot of time and money.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto= +">3.People who have misused courts to affect bitcoin developers will get be= +tter response that they deserve.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div = +dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I had few suggestions and feel fre= +e to ignore them if they do not make sense:<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>= +</div><div dir=3D"auto">1.Name of this fund could be anything and 'The = +Bitcoin Legal Defense Fund' can be confusing or misleading for newbies.= + There is nothing official in Bitcoin however people believe things written= + in news articles and some of them might consider it as an official bitcoin= + legal fund.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">2.It wo= +uld be better if people involved in such important funds do not comment/inf= +luence soft fork related discussions. Example: Alex Morcos had some opinion= +s about activation mechanism during Taproot soft fork IIRC.<br></div><div d= +ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <b= +r></div><div>Prayank<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A3B1 E430 22= +98 178F<br></div> </div> + +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote></div> +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"= + class=3D"gmail_signature"><br><br>Alex Schoof</div> + +--0000000000006c2ea105d57b38f6-- + |