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authorDrak <drak@zikula.org>2014-04-23 20:01:58 +0100
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks
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+Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage
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+Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant be civil, please
+go away until you learn some manners.
+
+I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire block causing
+distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress just to the evil
+miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications of all these
+options.
+
+I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement their own
+filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an open
+discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing before
+someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account other
+points of view they may not have considered yet.
+ On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier" <justusranvier@gmail.com> wrote:
+
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+> On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
+> > If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong
+> > place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or
+> > your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original
+> > proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as
+> > nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)
+> >
+>
+> Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night
+> (assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed
+> have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"?
+>
+> The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life
+> implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this
+> is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.
+>
+> What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to get
+> away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.
+>
+> Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating
+> to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.
+>
+> - --
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+<p dir=3D"ltr">Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant b=
+e civil, please go away until you learn some manners.</p>
+<p dir=3D"ltr">I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire=
+ block causing distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress jus=
+t to the evil miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications o=
+f all these options.</p>
+
+<p dir=3D"ltr">I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement t=
+heir own filters and behaviours without anyone&#39;s consent. So having an =
+open discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing be=
+fore someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account ot=
+her points of view they may not have considered yet.<br>
+
+</p>
+<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, &quot;Justus Ranvier&quot;=
+ &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:justusranvier@gmail.com">justusranvier@gmail.com</a>=
+&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
+=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+<br>
+On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br>
+&gt; If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong<br=
+>
+&gt; place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or<br>
+&gt; your blog). Let&#39;s keep this thread for discussion of the original<=
+br>
+&gt; proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as<br>
+&gt; nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night<br>
+(assuming you&#39;re one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed<br>
+have one)? It&#39;s &quot;just a nerdy distributed consensus problem&quot;?=
+<br>
+<br>
+The things you&#39;re talking about fucking around with have real life<br>
+implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this<br>
+is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.<br>
+<br>
+What you&#39;re doing is reckless endangerment and you&#39;re not got to ge=
+t<br>
+away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.<br>
+<br>
+Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating<br>
+to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.<br>
+<br>
+- --<br>
+Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.<br>
+Learn how here: <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k" ta=
+rget=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k</a><br>
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