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author | Drak <drak@zikula.org> | 2014-04-23 20:01:58 +0100 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks
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If you cant be civil, please +go away until you learn some manners. + +I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire block causing +distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress just to the evil +miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications of all these +options. + +I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement their own +filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an open +discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing before +someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account other +points of view they may not have considered yet. + On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier" <justusranvier@gmail.com> wrote: + +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +> Hash: SHA1 +> +> On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: +> > If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong +> > place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or +> > your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original +> > proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as +> > nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;) +> > +> +> Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night +> (assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed +> have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"? +> +> The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life +> implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this +> is precisely why I responded in the way that I did. +> +> What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to get +> away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail. +> +> Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating +> to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency. +> +> - -- +> Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. +> Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakOKJFtB-k +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) +> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ +> +> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTWAsmAAoJECoisBQbQ4v0XTcIAL70+EAkSMUgvGeTN+mROkkd +> 3ap5NhUYehfW33gEEEyO3a6ofrb6k1a8EbHlzDyq7qPZ925kdvbnwqXDQm7auAh1 +> V8IPAwp+JfCgVDVAxtHuUBUvTuuCn1Mrxnf6ppwzFywBxU6l6KYK9zac1HoX3EVY +> QxME15zrBmtJfo9/ed9yWz8ZXl6nsx47D3r0VE8FiENJRgxLfZ7Odsr/sGvgL71N +> aYPv7vMxRBNXDvrMhEuYKa3L83W5kv4JJxzueUyO/0bww/aaeZMZr850u/hUjMgU +> ui37M+kiFHug3semWGKs1yJiKsEPsEPaU4j6WSDrd0bNbc73bBjvHm9SGYRHzDQ= +> =L5nX +> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform +> Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software +> Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready +> Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform +> http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> + +--047d7bacb6a0eb9f3604f7ba5d05 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<p dir=3D"ltr">Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant b= +e civil, please go away until you learn some manners.</p> +<p dir=3D"ltr">I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire= + block causing distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress jus= +t to the evil miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications o= +f all these options.</p> + +<p dir=3D"ltr">I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement t= +heir own filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an = +open discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing be= +fore someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account ot= +her points of view they may not have considered yet.<br> + +</p> +<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier"= + <<a href=3D"mailto:justusranvier@gmail.com">justusranvier@gmail.com</a>= +> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= +=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA1<br> +<br> +On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br> +> If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong<br= +> +> place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or<br> +> your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original<= +br> +> proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as<br> +> nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)<br> +><br> +<br> +Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night<br> +(assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed<br> +have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"?= +<br> +<br> +The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life<br> +implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this<br> +is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.<br> +<br> +What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to ge= +t<br> +away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.<br> +<br> +Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating<br> +to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.<br> +<br> +- --<br> +Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.<br> +Learn how here: <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k" ta= +rget=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k</a><br> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> +Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)<br> +Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - <a href=3D"http://www.enigmail.net/= +" target=3D"_blank">http://www.enigmail.net/</a><br> +<br> +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTWAsmAAoJECoisBQbQ4v0XTcIAL70+EAkSMUgvGeTN+mROkkd<br> +3ap5NhUYehfW33gEEEyO3a6ofrb6k1a8EbHlzDyq7qPZ925kdvbnwqXDQm7auAh1<br> +V8IPAwp+JfCgVDVAxtHuUBUvTuuCn1Mrxnf6ppwzFywBxU6l6KYK9zac1HoX3EVY<br> +QxME15zrBmtJfo9/ed9yWz8ZXl6nsx47D3r0VE8FiENJRgxLfZ7Odsr/sGvgL71N<br> +aYPv7vMxRBNXDvrMhEuYKa3L83W5kv4JJxzueUyO/0bww/aaeZMZr850u/hUjMgU<br> +ui37M+kiFHug3semWGKs1yJiKsEPsEPaU4j6WSDrd0bNbc73bBjvHm9SGYRHzDQ=3D<br> +=3DL5nX<br> +-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> +<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= +-------<br> +Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform<br> +Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software<br> +Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready<br> +Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform<br> +<a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform" target=3D"_blank">http://p.sf.n= +et/sfu/ExoPlatform</a><br>_______________________________________________<b= +r> +Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= +pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= +" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= +velopment</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div> + +--047d7bacb6a0eb9f3604f7ba5d05-- + + |