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| author | Sergio Demian Lerner <sergio.d.lerner@gmail.com> | 2016-10-14 15:10:45 -0300 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2016-10-14 18:11:28 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users
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The first sentence of the BIP states: "There are incentives +for miners to find cheap, non-standard ways to generate new work which are +not in the best interest of the protocol". + +The BIP actually PROTECTS the network from stealth Shared-Nonce mining and +the fact you rejected it made the Bitcoin network LESS secure because now +we just don't know at what extent it is in use. + +Shared-nonce mining can be done with or without that BIP/pull-req. + +We didn't disclose more in the BIP because it was not clear if shared-nonce +mining (the fact that Bitcoin had a design flaw) would have a negative +affect on Bitcoin price. + +ASICBoost patent may be a patent that protects Bitcoiners from mining +centralization: ASICBoost is the only company that at this point showed +interest in licensing the technology. But I do not control ASICBoost nor +the patent so I cannot do anything about it. + +I propose we as a community do a crowdfund to try to license it from that +company (or any other that wants to put theirs in the deal) and put all in +public domain. + +--001a1143a4109020c2053ed72716 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">Oh God... here we go again..<br><div><div class=3D"gmail_e= +xtra"><span class=3D"gmail-"></span><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote = +class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol= +id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"gmail-"><br> +</span>Again, lets remember that you personally proposed a BIP[1] that had = +the effect<br> +of aiding your ASICBOOST patent[2] without disclosing that fact in your BIP= + nor<br> +your pull-req[3]. <br> +<br></blockquote><div>This is false. The first sentence of the BIP states: = +"There are incentives for miners to find cheap, non-standard ways to= +=20 +generate new work which are not in the best interest of the protocol".= +=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br>The BIP actually PROTECTS the network from stealt= +h Shared-Nonce mining and the fact you rejected it made the Bitcoin network= + LESS secure because now we just don't know at what extent it is in use= +.<br><br></div><div>Shared-nonce mining can be done with or without that BI= +P/pull-req. <br><br>We didn't disclose more in the BIP because it was n= +ot clear if shared-nonce=20 +mining (the fact that Bitcoin had a design flaw) would have a negative=20 +affect on Bitcoin price. <br><br>ASICBoost patent may be a patent that prot= +ects Bitcoiners from mining centralization: ASICBoost is the only company t= +hat at this point showed interest in licensing the technology. But I do not= + control ASICBoost nor the patent so I cannot do anything about it.<br><br>= +I propose we as a community do a crowdfund to try to license it from that c= +ompany (or any other that wants to put theirs in the deal) and put all in p= +ublic domain. <br></div></div></div></div></div> + +--001a1143a4109020c2053ed72716-- + |