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+If users can opt-in to another security model, why can't they opt-in to

+another scaling model? The mainchain (Bitcoin) does not have to adopt

+any of the changes made to a sidechain such as larger blocks for example.

+

+

+On 07/11/2017 01:01 PM, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev wrote:

+> On Jul 11, 2017 09:18, "Chris Stewart via bitcoin-dev"

+> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org

+> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:

+>

+> Concept ACK.

+>

+> If drivechains are successful they should be viewed as the way we

+> scale

+>

+>

+> I strongly disagree with that statement.

+>

+> Drivechains, and several earlier sidechains ideas, are not a

+> scalability improvement, but merely enabling users to opt-in for

+> another security model.

+>

+> While obviously any future with wider adoption will need different

+> technologies that have different trade-offs, and anyone is free to

+> choose their security model, I don't think this particular one is

+> interesting. In terms of validation cost to auditors, it is as bad as

+> just a capacity increase on chain, while simultaneously adding the

+> extra risk of miners being able to vote to steal your money.

+>

+> Cheers,

+>

+> --

+> Pieter

+>

+>

+>

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+ <p>If users can opt-in to another security model, why can't they

+ opt-in to another scaling model? The mainchain (Bitcoin) does not

+ have to adopt any of the changes made to a sidechain such as

+ larger blocks for example.<br>

+ </p>

+ <br>

+ <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/11/2017 01:01 PM, Pieter Wuille

+ via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>

+ </div>

+ <blockquote type="cite"

+cite="mid:CAPg+sBghOOcyRqtuAXhWQ=yA1nuqw8Xs+yrK9CTpRo4uc3773Q@mail.gmail.com">

+ <div dir="ltr">

+ <div dir="auto">

+ <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">

+ <div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 11, 2017 09:18, "Chris

+ Stewart via bitcoin-dev" &lt;<a

+ href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"

+ target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>&gt;

+ wrote:<br type="attribution">

+ <blockquote

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+ style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc

+ solid;padding-left:1ex">

+ <div dir="ltr">

+ <div>

+ <div>

+ <div>Concept ACK.<br>

+ <br>

+ </div>

+ If drivechains are successful they should be

+ viewed as the way we scale</div>

+ </div>

+ </div>

+ </blockquote>

+ </div>

+ </div>

+ <div dir="auto"><br>

+ </div>

+ <div dir="auto">I strongly disagree with that statement.</div>

+ <div dir="auto"><br>

+ </div>

+ <div dir="auto">Drivechains, and several earlier sidechains

+ ideas, are not a scalability improvement, but merely

+ enabling users to opt-in for another security model.<br>

+ <br>

+ </div>

+ <div dir="auto">While obviously any future with wider adoption

+ will need different technologies that have different

+ trade-offs, and anyone is free to choose their security

+ model, I don't think this particular one is interesting. In

+ terms of validation cost to auditors, it is as bad as just a

+ capacity increase on chain, while simultaneously adding the

+ extra risk of miners being able to vote to steal your money.</div>

+ <div dir="auto"><br>

+ </div>

+ <div>Cheers,<br>

+ <br>

+ -- <br>

+ </div>

+ <div>Pieter<br>

+ <br>

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