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| author | Keagan McClelland <keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com> | 2024-03-27 16:36:48 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> | 2024-03-27 16:48:14 -0700 |
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Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32]) + by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t15-20020a05683014cf00b006e6c068a73fsi19519otq.4.2024.03.27.16.36.59 + for <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> + (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); + Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:36:59 -0700 (PDT) +Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32; +Received: by mail-vk1-xa32.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4d42d18bd63so131392e0c.2 + for <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:36:59 -0700 (PDT) +X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:d9f:b0:4d4:19e9:db0 with SMTP id + bc31-20020a0561220d9f00b004d419e90db0mr1864381vkb.0.1711582619266; Wed, 27 + Mar 2024 16:36:59 -0700 (PDT) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> + <e4048607-64b7-4772-b74e-4566a4b50bc0n@googlegroups.com> <9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org> + <42e6c1d1d39d811e2fe7c4c5ce6e09c705bd3dbb.camel@timruffing.de> + <d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc46f129a2n@googlegroups.com> <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> +In-Reply-To: <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> +From: Keagan McClelland <keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com> +Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:36:48 -0700 +Message-ID: <CALeFGL2SJdKFaY6MeyXjQ5RJM4Va2Hh=NeRB8wthARbDSBZsvw@mail.gmail.com> +Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors +To: Murch <murch@murch.one> +Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000067ab10614ace2b1" +X-Original-Sender: keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com +X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass + header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=cDungKrs; spf=pass + (google.com: domain of keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com designates + 2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com; + dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com +Precedence: list +Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com +List-ID: <bitcoindev.googlegroups.com> +X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 +List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/post>, <mailto:bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> +List-Help: <https://groups.google.com/support/>, <mailto:bitcoindev+help@googlegroups.com> +List-Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev +List-Subscribe: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/subscribe>, <mailto:bitcoindev+subscribe@googlegroups.com> +List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:googlegroups-manage+786775582512+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>, + <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/subscribe> +X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) + +--000000000000067ab10614ace2b1 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +I support this as a go forward plan. + +On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 2:56=E2=80=AFPM Murch <murch@murch.one> wrote: + +> Hey everyone, +> +> I wanted to check in on the topic adding BIP Editors. There seem to be a +> number of candidates that are willing and able, and there seems to be +> broad agreement among the current editor, the readers of the repository, +> and the contributors to the repository that additional help is desirable. +> +> I have seen some support and reservations raised for pretty much every +> candidate. A few weeks have passed since this topic was last active. So +> far, there seems no clear path forward. +> +> If we are all just in a holding pattern, perhaps we could timebox this +> decision process: how about we invite arguments for and against any +> candidates in this thread until next Friday EOD (April 5th). If any +> candidates find broad support, those candidates could be added as new +> editors to the repository on the following Monday (April 8th). If none +> get broad support, at least we=E2=80=99d be able to move on and try somet= +hing else. +> +> I propose that all editors share the same privileges, especially that +> any editor may assign numbers to BIPs. If there is guidance to be +> provided on the process of assigning numbers and number ranges for +> specific topics, it should be provided by then. If the editors decide on +> a single number authority among themselves, that would also be fine as +> long as it doesn=E2=80=99t become a bottleneck. +> +> As Tim and Chris have suggested, it seems reasonable to me that +> assessment of the technical soundness can be left to the audience. BIPs +> have been published in the repository and set to the "rejected" status +> before, so it=E2=80=99s not as if adding a BIP to the repository is treat= +ed as +> an unequivocal endorsement or implementation recommendation. +> +> Cheers, +> Murch +> +> +> On 3/14/24 07:56, Chris Stewart wrote: +> > I agree with Tim's thoughts here. +> > +> > I think Jon Atack, Reuben Somsen, Kanzure or Roasbeef would all make +> great +> > candidates. +> > +> > On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:55:52=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6 Tim Ruffing= + wrote: +> > +> >> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote: +> >>> The hard part is evaluating +> >>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev +> >>> skills (mainly for technical soundness). +> >> +> >> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with BIP2 +> >> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the curren= +t +> >> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors. +> >> +> >> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the +> >> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal +> >> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self- +> >> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves +> >> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility +> >> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a +> >> BIP, not by the editor. +> >> +> >> Best, +> >> Tim +> >> +> >> +> >> [1] BIP2 says: +> >> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following: +> >> +> >> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas +> >> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be +> >> accepted. +> >> [...]" +> +> -- +> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups +> "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. +> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an +> email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. +> To view this discussion on the web visit +> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12= +de183fef%40murch.one +> . +> + +--=20 +You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= +Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. +To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= +mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. +To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= +bitcoindev/CALeFGL2SJdKFaY6MeyXjQ5RJM4Va2Hh%3DNeRB8wthARbDSBZsvw%40mail.gma= +il.com. + +--000000000000067ab10614ace2b1 +Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">I support this as a go forward plan.<br></div><br><div cla= +ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 27, 20= +24 at 2:56=E2=80=AFPM Murch <murch@murch.one> wrote:<br></div><blockq= +uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p= +x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hey everyone,<br> +<br> +I wanted to check in on the topic adding BIP Editors. There seem to be a <b= +r> +number of candidates that are willing and able, and there seems to be <br> +broad agreement among the current editor, the readers of the repository, <b= +r> +and the contributors to the repository that additional help is desirable.<b= +r> +<br> +I have seen some support and reservations raised for pretty much every <br> +candidate. A few weeks have passed since this topic was last active. So <br= +> +far, there seems no clear path forward.<br> +<br> +If we are all just in a holding pattern, perhaps we could timebox this <br> +decision process: how about we invite arguments for and against any <br> +candidates in this thread until next Friday EOD (April 5th). If any <br> +candidates find broad support, those candidates could be added as new <br> +editors to the repository on the following Monday (April 8th). If none <br> +get broad support, at least we=E2=80=99d be able to move on and try somethi= +ng else.<br> +<br> +I propose that all editors share the same privileges, especially that <br> +any editor may assign numbers to BIPs. If there is guidance to be <br> +provided on the process of assigning numbers and number ranges for <br> +specific topics, it should be provided by then. If the editors decide on <b= +r> +a single number authority among themselves, that would also be fine as <br> +long as it doesn=E2=80=99t become a bottleneck.<br> +<br> +As Tim and Chris have suggested, it seems reasonable to me that <br> +assessment of the technical soundness can be left to the audience. BIPs <br= +> +have been published in the repository and set to the "rejected" s= +tatus <br> +before, so it=E2=80=99s not as if adding a BIP to the repository is treated= + as <br> +an unequivocal endorsement or implementation recommendation.<br> +<br> +Cheers,<br> +Murch<br> +<br> +<br> +On 3/14/24 07:56, Chris Stewart wrote:<br> +> I agree with Tim's thoughts here.<br> +> <br> +> I think Jon Atack, Reuben Somsen, Kanzure or Roasbeef would all make g= +reat<br> +> candidates.<br> +> <br> +> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:55:52=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6 Tim Ruffin= +g wrote:<br> +> <br> +>> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote:<br> +>>> The hard part is evaluating<br> +>>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely need= +s dev<br> +>>> skills (mainly for technical soundness).<br> +>><br> +>> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance w= +ith BIP2<br> +>> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the cu= +rrent<br> +>> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of edit= +ors.<br> +>><br> +>> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check tha= +t the<br> +>> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minima= +l<br> +>> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self-= +<br> +>> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relie= +ves<br> +>> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibi= +lity<br> +>> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience = +of a<br> +>> BIP, not by the editor.<br> +>><br> +>> Best,<br> +>> Tim<br> +>><br> +>><br> +>> [1] BIP2 says:<br> +>> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following:= +<br> +>><br> +>> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The id= +eas<br> +>> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to b= +e<br> +>> accepted.<br> +>> [...]"<br> +<br> +-- <br> +You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= +quot;Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group.<br> +To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= +mail to <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target= +=3D"_blank">bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br> +To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c= +om/d/msgid/bitcoindev/52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef%40murch.one" rel= +=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoin= +dev/52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef%40murch.one</a>.<br> +</blockquote></div> + +<p></p> + +-- <br /> +You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= +quot;Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group.<br /> +To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= +mail to <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">bitcoind= +ev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br /> +To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c= +om/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CALeFGL2SJdKFaY6MeyXjQ5RJM4Va2Hh%3DNeRB8wthARbDSBZsvw= +%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter">https://groups.go= +ogle.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CALeFGL2SJdKFaY6MeyXjQ5RJM4Va2Hh%3DNeRB8wthARbD= +SBZsvw%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<br /> + +--000000000000067ab10614ace2b1-- + |