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| author | Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> | 2015-03-13 14:48:17 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-03-13 21:48:27 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups
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If so, what about blockchain.info? It'd be shooting +ourselves in the foot to try and forbid block explorers given how useful +they are. + +If someone non-maliciously runs some nodes with debug logging turned on, +and makes full system backups every night, and keeps those backups for +years, are they in violation of whatever pseudo-law is involved? + +I think it's a bit early to think about these things right now. Michael +Gr=C3=B8nager and Jan M=C3=B8ller have been Bitcoin hackers for a long time= +. I'd be +interested to know their thoughts on all of this. + +--90e6ba1ef2ea4ce45d051132750e +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">That would be rather new and tr= +icky legal territory.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div = +class=3D"gmail_extra">But even putting the legal issues to one side, there = +are definitional issues.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div cla= +ss=3D"gmail_extra">For instance if the Chainalysis nodes started following = +the protocol specs better and became just regular nodes that happen to keep= + logs, would that still be a violation? If so, what about <a href=3D"http:/= +/blockchain.info">blockchain.info</a>? It'd be shooting ourselves in th= +e foot to try and forbid block explorers given how useful they are.</div><d= +iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">If someone no= +n-maliciously runs some nodes with debug logging turned on, and makes full = +system backups every night, and keeps those backups for years, are they in = +violation of whatever pseudo-law is involved?</div><div class=3D"gmail_extr= +a"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I think it's a bit early to thi= +nk about these things right now. Michael Gr=C3=B8nager and Jan M=C3=B8ller = +have been Bitcoin hackers for a long time. I'd be interested to know th= +eir thoughts on all of this.</div></div> + +--90e6ba1ef2ea4ce45d051132750e-- + + |