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| author | Michael Folkson <michaelfolkson@gmail.com> | 2021-04-06 14:36:05 +0100 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2021-04-06 13:36:19 +0000 |
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[bitcoin-dev] Update on "Speedy" Trial
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I did my best to make light of the +situation...) +https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html + +I'd like to give the list an update on where we are with Speedy Trial +because it is just as absurd as it looks to an outside observer. As a +reminder of the timeline: + +February 2nd: Community meeting (100+ attendees including Core +contributors) where there was broad consensus that BIP 9 was "dead" in +favor of BIP 8. BIP 8 (which uses block heights) was revised to be a BIP 9 +replacement. +https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018379.html + +March 6th: With no clear community consensus on whether the LOT parameter +should be set to true or false in BIP 8, Russell O'Connor proposed "Speedy +Trial". Taking an excerpt from David Harding's mailing list post "Speedy +Trial is a way to generate fast progress" and can "fail fast". +https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-March/018583.html + +April 6th: There are two open PRs in Bitcoin Core. PR #21377 from AJ Towns +which attempts to bring BIP 9 back to life and use MTP over block height +because MTP is better for test networks. (Apparently mainnet is a test +network for testnet and signet these days) And PR #21392 from Andrew Chow +which uses BIP 8 and block height as discussed in those first community +meetings. BIP 8 has been revised to incorporate Speedy Trial while BIP 9 +hasn't. + +I think we are fast approaching a time where we are in exactly the same +situation as we were with the LOT parameter. Bitcoin Core is unable to +merge anything because of limited opposition to using block height of all +things. + +I do encourage everyone to look at this and understand which individuals +are making this situation absurd. They will most likely be the same +individuals that decry the dangers of a future UASF having made "Speedy" +Trial a total oxymoron. + +I won't be attending the meeting later, I'd rather pull teeth. If people +are in agreement with me on no further progress being possible in Core I +think we will need to restart the UASF discussions. Luke warned that these +kinds of shenanigans could happen but I really lacked imagination on the +tricks some people could pull. + +-- +Michael Folkson +Email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com +Keybase: michaelfolkson +PGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D40 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 214C FEE3 + +--0000000000000a9a8705bf4de6d8 +Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>(The email last week was an April Fools. I did my bes= +t to make light of the situation...)</div><div><a href=3D"https://lists.lin= +uxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html">https://list= +s.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-April/018724.html</a><br><= +/div><div><br></div>I'd like to give the list an update on where we are= + with Speedy Trial because it is just as absurd as it looks to an outside o= +bserver. As a reminder of the timeline:<div><br></div><div>February 2nd: Co= +mmunity meeting (100+ attendees including Core contributors) where there wa= +s broad consensus that BIP 9 was "dead" in favor of BIP 8. BIP 8 = +(which uses block heights) was revised to be a BIP 9 replacement.</div><div= +><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-Fe= +bruary/018379.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev= +/2021-February/018379.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>March 6th: With= + no clear community consensus on whether the LOT parameter should be set to= + true or false in BIP 8, Russell O'Connor proposed "Speedy Trial&q= +uot;. Taking an excerpt from David Harding's mailing list post "<s= +pan style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Speedy Trial is a way t= +o generate fast progress" and can "fail fast".</span></div><= +div><a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021= +-March/018583.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev= +/2021-March/018583.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>April 6th: There a= +re two open PRs in Bitcoin Core. PR #21377 from AJ Towns which attempts to = +bring BIP 9 back to life and use MTP over block height because MTP is bette= +r for test networks. (Apparently mainnet is a test network for testnet and = +signet these days) And PR #21392 from Andrew Chow which uses BIP 8 and bloc= +k height as discussed in those first community meetings. BIP 8 has been rev= +ised to incorporate Speedy Trial while BIP 9 hasn't.</div><div><br></di= +v><div>I think we are fast approaching a time where we are in exactly the s= +ame situation as we were with the LOT parameter. Bitcoin Core is unable to = +merge anything because of limited opposition to using block height of all t= +hings.</div><div><br></div><div>I do encourage everyone to look at this and= + understand which individuals are=C2=A0making this situation absurd. They w= +ill most likely be the same individuals that decry the dangers of a future= +=C2=A0UASF having made "Speedy" Trial a total oxymoron.</div><div= +><br></div><div>I won't be attending the meeting later, I'd rather = +pull teeth. If people are in agreement with me on no further progress being= + possible in Core I think we will need to restart the UASF discussions. Luk= +e warned that these kinds of shenanigans could happen but I really lacked i= +magination on the tricks some people could pull.</div><div><div><br></div>-= +- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_si= +gnature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div = +dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face= +=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">Michael Folkson</font><= +div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">Email:=C2= +=A0<a href=3D"mailto:michaelfolkson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelfol= +kson@gmail.com</a></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-se= +rif" color=3D"#000000">Keybase: michaelfolkson</font></div><div><font face= +=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">PGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D4= +0 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 214C FEE3</font></div></div></div></div></div></div><= +/div></div></div></div></div></div></div> + +--0000000000000a9a8705bf4de6d8-- + |