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| author | Jorge Timón <jtimon@jtimon.cc> | 2015-06-28 14:13:52 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-06-28 12:13:55 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] The need for larger blocks
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Before that, anything is a speculation.= + That's why risk is attached to both "doing nothing" and "raising the limit= +". + +Fortunately we have a lower limit in the standard mining policy to see +if the skies turn purple when we hit that limit like some people +predict. + +> Various people perceive these risks differently and there is no clear mec= +hanism currently to somehow gauge what the majority wants. So it's tempting= + to just give up and say: let's do nothing. +> +> In this situation, doing a "software fork" seems like the only way to act= +ually see how many people/interests are in favor of bigger blocks. + +But this is NOT a way to see the majority of anything. I can run 1000 +nodes, have you heard of sybil attacks? +There's simply no decentralized way of voting that works. Otherwise we +could vote on each block instead of using proof of work. +Miners voting on size is also ridiculous since big miners have an +incentive to completely remove the limit and make smaller miners +unprofitable. + +> (Whether the majority has a moral right to dictate the minority is a toug= +h philosophical question, which should probably be left out of this discuss= +ion :) + +No, this is very important. The majority has no right to dictate on +the minority. +If the majority of bitcoiners wanted demurrage (and we actually had a +working method for "measuring majorities"), the minority would still +say "these are not the rules we signed up for, go make freicoin as a +separate chain". +And that is very reasonable. If some people want a more centralized +version of Bitcoin they can create an altcoin too. Doesn't dogecoin +already have big blocks? + |