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| author | Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com> | 2021-03-14 00:45:53 -0500 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining
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boundary="0000000000002f0f4605bd78a620" +X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:40:47 +0000 +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST + Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 05:46:08 -0000 + +--0000000000002f0f4605bd78a620 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +I have added quite a bit more details. I haven't made any UML diagrams just +yet. I did add a basic non-technical infographic though, and more then +likely making a technical UML for the cryptographic mechanisms will be on +my to-do list. I have also updated the terminology and added a bit more +content. + +Best regards, Andrew + +On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:44 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote: + +> My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humor was no= +t +> meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it personally. +> +> +> PS: The AI overlord is no joke +> +> Cheers, +> -Yancy +> +> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Foundation < +> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote: +> +> +> Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull +> request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I gues= +s +> the sense of humor. +> +> Best regards, Andrew +> +> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote: +> +>> Ok thanks. Using the correct terminology helps people understand what +>> you're talking about and take you seriously. +>> +>> Cheers, +>> -Yancy +>> +>> +>> Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>: +>> +>> Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm +>> and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to asym= +metric +>> cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a +>> different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,"= +, I +>> should have stated in regards to cryptographic key validation. There are= + a +>> few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I should make in order t= +o +>> not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Honest mistake, but +>> enough with the sarcasm. +>> +>> Best regards, Andrew +>> +>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote: +>> +>>> My email was not intended as an insult. Your proposal seemed a bit lik= +e +>>> gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such as +>>> conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if yo= +u +>>> were a bot spamming the list. +>>> +>>> +>>> Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP? +>>> How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin? At w= +hat +>>> point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency? Will we have +>>> lost the war to our new centralized overlord? +>>> +>>> Cheers, +>>> -Yancy +>>> +>>> +>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation < +>>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote: +>>> +>>> +>>> Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation +>>> cryptography in that aspect: +>>> https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-= +book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html +>>> My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop proof= +s +>>> for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proofs f= +or. +>>> That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer +>>> constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After = +all +>>> this is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to devel= +op a +>>> specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a +>>> repository and call it a day. +>>> +>>> Best regards, Andrew +>>> +>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation < +>>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote: +>>> +>>>> Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a +>>>> BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main poi= +nt in +>>>> regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creat= +es an +>>>> alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the +>>>> future as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the ch= +anges +>>>> I am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, on= +ce +>>>> this is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprin= +ts +>>>> explaining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and conse= +nsus +>>>> that I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea th= +at I +>>>> am willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a dr= +aft, +>>>> I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior = +to +>>>> working on technological implementation. +>>>> +>>>> Best regards, Andrew +>>>> +>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> +>>>> wrote: +>>>> +>>>>> I think Andrew himself is an algo. The crypto training set must not +>>>>> be very good. +>>>>> +>>>>> Cheers, +>>>>> -Yancy +>>>>> +>>>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-de= +v +>>>>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +>>>>> +>>>>> +>>>>> =E2=80=A6 +>>>>> +>>>>> +>>>>> +>>>>> +>>>>> +>>>> +>>>> +>>> +>>> +>>> +>> +>> +> +> +> + +--0000000000002f0f4605bd78a620 +Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"auto">I have added quite a bit more details. I haven't made= + any UML diagrams just yet. I did add a basic non-technical infographic tho= +ugh, and more then likely making a technical UML for the cryptographic mech= +anisms will be on my to-do list. I have also updated the terminology and ad= +ded a bit more content.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best r= +egards, Andrew</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c= +lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:44 PM email@yancy.lol <email= +@yancy.lol> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= +argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr= +" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id=3D"m_65532= +4507113837888docs-internal-guid-be47d78b-7fff-e62f-3a7d-3f65dada23ee"><span= + style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;fon= +t-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;ver= +tical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">My mistake for thinking your tex= +t was generated text, and my humor was not meant to be directed at you, so = +apologies if you took it personally.</span></p>=C2=A0<p dir=3D"ltr" style= +=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"font-= +size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;fo= +nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bas= +eline;white-space:pre-wrap">PS: The AI overlord is no joke</span></p><br>Ch= +eers,<br>-Yancy<br><br>On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Founda= +tion <<a href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" r= +el=3D"noreferrer">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>=C2=A0<bloc= +kquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXzOre2nhaC9gPWe0Qa30+434_vC+Q0WsV= +z=3DkxKk4HjvEg@mail.gmail.com"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi, no worries. I made the= + changes now in the GitHub repository and pull request. I'm hoping for = +a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess the sense of humor.<div = +dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></div>= +=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On S= +at, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:</div><block= +quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc= + solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Ok tha= +nks.=C2=A0 Using the correct terminology helps people understand what you&#= +39;re talking about and take you seriously.</span><br><br><span style=3D"fo= +nt-family:sans-serif">Cheers,</span><br><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser= +if">-Yancy</span><div>=C2=A0<p>Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation &l= +t;<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.c= +om" target=3D"_blank">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>>:</p><blockquote><= +div dir=3D"auto">Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashi= +ng algorithm and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referri= +ng to=C2=A0<span>asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. = +I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to = +cryptographic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptograp= +hic key validation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor e= +dits I should make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update = +today. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.</span><div dir=3D"auto"= +>=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></div>=C2=A0<div c= +lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, = +2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:</div><blockquo= +te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so= +lid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0= +pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id=3D"m_655324507113837888m_-24665084329890104m_-7605= +373105595509035m_8158420199876589271m_-1581779554600417290m_-17411290091809= +98294m_3490105251412115872m_-7757793637796267019m_-5697419812760722977docs-= +internal-guid-4056a8b1-7fff-9296-3427-4d2e04c785c7"><span style=3D"backgrou= +nd-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:4= +00;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:11pt;font-family:= +Arial;font-style:normal">My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your= + proposal seemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as poi= +nted out before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was ge= +nuinely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.</span></p>=C2=A0<p dir= +=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span = +style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-space:pre-w= +rap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:= +11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more interesting topic is= +, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=C2=A0 How long before our AI overlord= + produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2=A0 At what point will the AI have mor= +e than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=A0 Will we have lost the war to our new = +centralized overlord?</span></p><br>Cheers,<br>-Yancy<br><br><br>On Saturda= +y, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation <<a rel=3D"noreferrer nor= +eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n= +oreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lo= +neroassociation@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>=C2=A0<blockquote type=3D"cite"= + cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXw5uh4yfvqDiBBEXcq188PEGku-NFFAq7uNuAFTG3ooTQ@mail.gm= +ail.com"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Also, I already stated I was referring to si= +gnature validation cryptography in that aspect: <a rel=3D"noreferrer norefe= +rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore= +ferrer" href=3D"https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for= +-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html= +" target=3D"_blank">https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography= +-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.= +html</a></div><div>My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want t= +o develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I want to dev= +elop proofs for.</div><div>That said to those who disagree with the premise= +, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one anoth= +er. After all this is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aimin= +g to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and pa= +ste a repository and call it a day.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Best regards= +, Andrew</div></div>=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= +=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <<a re= +l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore= +ferrer noreferrer noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" t= +arget=3D"_blank">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquot= +e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= +olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi, I also wa= +nt to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a BTC hardfork = +or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point in regards to t= +his BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creates an alternative= +. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the future as well a= +s sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I am proposing = +can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once this is assigned = +draft status I am more than willing to create preprints explaining the cryp= +tography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that I am working o= +n. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I am willing to "= +;call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I think t= +his is a good starting point at least for draft status prior to working on = +technological implementation.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Best regards, Andr= +ew</div></div>=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= +ail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.l= +ol> wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p= +x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I thin= +k Andrew himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must not be very= + good.<br><br>Cheers,<br>-Yancy<br><br>On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET,= + Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev <<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nore= +ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" h= +ref=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitc= +oin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>=C2=A0<blockquote type= +=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXz9aHfZtt-it_8w4ovF=3D-QaZ4_9vwDS0Kz36qhHwVD= +C5Q@mail.gmail.com">=E2=80=A6</blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0</blockquote></= +div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0</blockquote></div></= +blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0 +</blockquote></div> + +--0000000000002f0f4605bd78a620-- + |