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| author | Andy Schroder <info@AndySchroder.com> | 2015-06-14 16:55:48 -0400 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity
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diff --git a/07/06e283cef96842b251844ed0c6899bb69877f4 b/07/06e283cef96842b251844ed0c6899bb69877f4 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..00a8de844 --- /dev/null +++ b/07/06e283cef96842b251844ed0c6899bb69877f4 @@ -0,0 +1,681 @@ +Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] + helo=mx.sourceforge.net) + by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) + (envelope-from <info@AndySchroder.com>) id 1Z4Ewj-0007mU-7K + for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; + Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:56:01 +0000 +X-ACL-Warn: +Received: from uschroder.com ([74.142.93.202]) + by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) + id 1Z4Ewd-0002wm-P1 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; + Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:56:01 +0000 +Received: from [192.168.253.4] (cpe-74-132-161-228.kya.res.rr.com + [74.132.161.228]) + by uschroder.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0683822E030F9; + Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:55:50 -0400 (EDT) +Message-ID: <557DEA54.30200@AndySchroder.com> +Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:55:48 -0400 +From: Andy Schroder <info@AndySchroder.com> +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; + rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: "Warren Togami Jr." <wtogami@gmail.com>, + Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +References: <CAEz79Pp_6FhDjtR6emBcXf_WT14MbDaTxMbeAo=QAfhS-ihFCQ@mail.gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <CAEz79Pp_6FhDjtR6emBcXf_WT14MbDaTxMbeAo=QAfhS-ihFCQ@mail.gmail.com> +X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; + boundary="lLuGiE0jNdLu5eTa9gxWt8ECWhsJCVsEP" +X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) +X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. + See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. + 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message + -0.4 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address +X-Headers-End: 1Z4Ewd-0002wm-P1 +Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a + Neutral Competent Entity +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 +Precedence: list +List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:56:01 -0000 + +This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) +--lLuGiE0jNdLu5eTa9gxWt8ECWhsJCVsEP +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; + boundary="------------040402040300030006030804" + +This is a multi-part message in MIME format. +--------------040402040300030006030804 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +Hello, + +I'd support moving to a Linux Foundation e-mail list. I am also against=20 +google groups. I agree that the gesture of moving indicates that=20 +SourceForge is not playing nice on other issues and that moving this=20 +list shows their behavior is being acknowledged. + +I understand your reason for wanting to delete the Source Forge account=20 +(after reading the links). However, the only problem with that is that=20 +the SourceForge archive is the oldest one I've found with some early=20 +messages from Satoshi. Myself finding Bitcoin after its inception, as=20 +well as this mailing list even later on, it's nice to be able to review=20 +the archives. SourceForge's interface to those archives is pretty bad=20 +though. I'm not sure if there is any way to get older messages archived=20 +on sites like gmane or mail-archive? Does anyone know? You mentioned=20 +importing the list archive as part of the migration plan, but I guess is = + +this easy to do from SourceForge? + + +Andy Schroder + +On 06/14/2015 06:12 AM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: +> +> Discomfort with Sourceforge +> +> For a while now people have been expressing concern about=20 +> Sourceforge's continued hosting of the bitcoin-dev mailing list.=C2 =20 +> Downloads were moved completely to bitcoin.org <http://bitcoin.org>=20 +> after the Sept 2014 hacking incident of the SF project account.=C2 The= +=20 +> company's behavior and perceived stability have been growing to be=20 +> increasingly questionable. +> +> +> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dod= +gy_ads_and_installer +> +> November 2013: GIMP flees SourceForge over dodgy ads and installer +> +> https://lwn.net/Articles/646118/ +> +> May 28th, 2015: SourceForge replacing GIMP Windows downloads +> +> http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194 +> +> June 3rd, 2015: Sourceforge hijacked nmap's old site and downloads. +> +> +> When this topic came up over the past two years, it seemed that most=20 +> people agreed it would be a good idea to move.=C2 Someone always=20 +> suggests Google Groups as the replacement host.=C2 Google is quickly=20 +> shot down as too controversial in this community, and it becomes an=20 +> even more difficult question as to who else should host it.=C2 =20 +> Realizing this is not so simple, discussion then dies off until the=20 +> next time somebody brings it up. +> +> +> http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/194= +3127.DBnVxmfOIh%401337h4x0r/#msg34192607 +> +> Somebody brought it up again this past week. +> +> +> It seems logical that an open discussion list is not a big deal to=20 +> continue to be hosted on Sourceforge, as there isn=E2EUR^(TM)t much the= +y=20 +> could do to screw it up.=C2 I personally think moving it away now woul= +d=20 +> be seen as a gesture that we do not consider their behavior to be=20 +> acceptable.=C2 There are also some benefits in being hosted elsewhere, = + +> at an entity able to professionally maintain their infrastructure=20 +> while also being neutral to the content. +> +> +> Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity +> +> +> Bitcoin is a global infrastructure development project where it would=20 +> be politically awkward for any of the existing Bitcoin companies or=20 +> orgs to host due to questions it would raise about perceived political = + +> control.=C2 For example, consider a bizarro parallel universe where=20 +> MtGox was the inventor of Bitcoin, where they hosted its development=20 +> infrastructure and dev list under their own name.=C2 Even if what they= +=20 +> published was 100% technically and ideologically equivalent to the=20 +> Bitcoin we know in our dimension, most people wouldn't have trusted it = + +> merely due to appearances and it would have easily gone nowhere. +> +> +> I had a similar thought process last week when sidechains code was=20 +> approaching release. Sidechains, like Bitcoin itself, are intended to=20 +> be a generic piece of infrastructure (like ethernet?) that anyone can=20 +> build upon and use.=C2 We thought about Google Groups or existing orgs= +=20 +> that already host various open source infrastructure discussion lists=20 +> like the IETF or the Linux Foundation.=C2 Google is too controversial i= +n=20 +> this community, and the IETF is seen as possibly too politically=20 +> fractured.=C2 The Linux Foundation hosts a bunch of infrastructure=20 +> lists <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo>and it seems = + +> that nobody in the Open Source industry considers them to be=20 +> particularly objectionable.=C2 I talked with LF about the idea of=20 +> hosting generic Bitcoin-related infrastructure development lists.=C2 =20 +> They agreed as OSS infrastructure dev is already within their charter, = + +> so early this week sidechains-dev list began hosting there. +> +> +> From the perspective of our community, for bitcoin-dev it seems like a = + +> great fit.=C2 Why?=C2 While they are interested in supporting general= +=20 +> open source development, the LF has literally zero stake in this.=C2 I= +n=20 +> addition to neutrality, they seem to be suitable as a competenthost.=C2= + =20 +> They have full-time sysadmins maintaining their infrastructure=20 +> including the Mailman server. They are soon upgrading to Mailman 3=20 +> <http://wiki.list.org/Mailman3>, which means mailing lists would=20 +> benefit from the improved archive browser.=C2 I am not personally=20 +> familiar with HyperKitty, but the point here is they are a stable=20 +> non-profit entity who will competently maintain and improve things=20 +> like their Mailman deployment (a huge improvement over the stagnant=20 +> Sourceforge).=C2 It seems that LF would be competent, neutral place to= +=20 +> host dev lists for the long-term. +> +> +> To be clear, this proposal is only about hosting the discussion=20 +> list.=C2 The LF would have no control over the Bitcoin Project, as no = + +> single entity should. +> +> +> Proposed Action Plan +> +> +> * +> +> Discuss this openly within this community.=C2 Above is one example= + +> of a great neutral and competent host.=C2 If the technical leaders= + +> here can agree to move to a particular neutral host then we do it. +> +> * +> +> Migration: The current list admins become the new list admins.=C2 W= +e +> import the entire list archive into the new host's archives for +> user convenience. +> +> * +> +> http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/ =C2 Kill bitcoin-list and= + +> bitcoin-test.=C2 Very few people actually use it.=C2 Actually, le= +t's +> delete the entire Bitcoin Sourceforge project as its continued +> existence serves no purpose and it only confuses people who find +> it.=C2 By deletion, nobody has to monitor it for a repeat of the +> Sept 2014 hacking incident +> <https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DMTc4Mzg>or= + +> GIMP-type hijacking <https://lwn.net/Articles/646118/>? +> +> * +> +> The toughest question would be the appropriateness of +> auto-importing the subscriber list to another list server, as mass +> imports have a tendency to upset people. +> +> +> Thoughts? +> +> +> Warren Togami +> +> +> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= +------- +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development + + +--------------040402040300030006030804 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<html> + <head> + <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" + http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> + </head> + <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> + <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Hello,<br> + <br> + I'd support moving to a Linux Foundation e-mail list. I am also + against google groups. I agree that the gesture of moving + indicates that SourceForge is not playing nice on other issues and + that moving this list shows their behavior is being acknowledged.<b= +r> + <br> + I understand your reason for wanting to delete the Source Forge + account (after reading the links). However, the only problem with + that is that the SourceForge archive is the oldest one I've found + with some early messages from Satoshi. Myself finding Bitcoin + after its inception, as well as this mailing list even later on, + it's nice to be able to review the archives. SourceForge's + interface to those archives is pretty bad though. I'm not sure if + there is any way to get older messages archived on sites like + gmane or mail-archive? Does anyone know? You mentioned importing + the list archive as part of the migration plan, but I guess is + this easy to do from SourceForge?<br> + <br> + <br> + <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Andy Schroder</pre> + On 06/14/2015 06:12 AM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote:<br> + </div> + <blockquote +cite=3D"mid:CAEz79Pp_6FhDjtR6emBcXf_WT14MbDaTxMbeAo=3DQAfhS-ihFCQ@mail.gm= +ail.com" + type=3D"cite"> + <div dir=3D"ltr"><span + id=3D"docs-internal-guid-cd22e7b4-f189-548c-2b68-16e89353a192">= + + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;= +vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent= +">Discomfort + with Sourceforge</span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">For + a while now people have been expressing concern about + Sourceforge's continued hosting of the bitcoin-dev mailing + list. Downloads were moved completely to <a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://bitcoin.org">bitc= +oin.org</a> + after the Sept 2014 hacking incident of the SF project + account. The company's behavior and perceived = +stability + have been growing to be increasingly questionable.</span></= +p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" +href=3D"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_ov= +er_dodgy_ads_and_installer">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_= +dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer</a></span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">November + 2013: GIMP flees SourceForge over dodgy ads and installer</= +span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/646118/">https://lwn.net= +/Articles/646118/</a></span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">May + 28th, 2015: SourceForge replacing GIMP Windows downloads</s= +pan></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194">http://= +seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194</a></span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">June + 3rd, 2015: Sourceforge hijacked nmap's old site and + downloads.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">When + this topic came up over the past two years, it seemed that + most people agreed it would be a good idea to move.Â&= +nbsp; + Someone always suggests Google Groups as the replacement + host. Google is quickly shot down as too contr= +oversial + in this community, and it becomes an even more difficult + question as to who else should host it. Realiz= +ing this + is not so simple, discussion then dies off until the next + time somebody brings it up.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" +href=3D"http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thre= +ad/1943127.DBnVxmfOIh%401337h4x0r/#msg34192607">http://sourceforge.net/p/= +bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/1943127.DBnVxmfOIh%401337h4x0r= +/#msg34192607</a></span></p> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Somebody + brought it up again this past week.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">It + seems logical that an open discussion list is not a big + deal to continue to be hosted on Sourceforge, as there + isn’t much they could do to screw it up= +=2E I personally + think moving it away now would be seen as a gesture that + we do not consider their behavior to be acceptable.Â&= +nbsp; + There are also some benefits in being hosted elsewhere, at + an entity able to professionally maintain their + infrastructure while also being neutral to the content.</sp= +an></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;= +vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent= +">Proposal: + Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity</span><= +/p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Bitcoin + is a global infrastructure development project where it + would be politically awkward for any of the existing + Bitcoin companies or orgs to host due to questions it + would raise about perceived political control. = + For + example, consider a bizarro parallel universe where MtGox + was the inventor of Bitcoin, where they hosted its + development infrastructure and dev list under their own + name. Even if what they published was 100% tec= +hnically + and ideologically equivalent to the Bitcoin we know in our + dimension, most people wouldn't have trusted it merely due + to appearances and it would have easily gone nowhere.</span= +></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">I + had a similar thought process last week when sidechains + code was approaching release. Sidechains, like Bitcoin + itself, are intended to be a generic piece of + infrastructure (like ethernet?) that anyone can build upon + and use. We thought about Google Groups or exi= +sting orgs + that already host various open source infrastructure + discussion lists like the IETF or the Linux Foundation.&Aci= +rc; + Google is too controversial in this community, and the + IETF is seen as possibly too politically fractured.Â&= +nbsp; The + Linux Foundation hosts a </span><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"= + + href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo"= + + style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;text-decoration:u= +nderline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:tr= +ansparent">bunch + of infrastructure lists</span></a><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> + and it seems that nobody in the Open Source industry + considers them to be particularly objectionable.Â&nbs= +p; I + talked with LF about the idea of hosting generic + Bitcoin-related infrastructure development lists.Â&nb= +sp; They + agreed as OSS infrastructure dev is already within their + charter, so early this week sidechains-dev list began + hosting there.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1..38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">= +<span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">From + the perspective of our community, for bitcoin-dev it seems + like a great fit. Why? While they= + are interested in + supporting general open source development, the LF has + literally zero stake in this. In addition to n= +eutrality, + they seem to be suitable as a </span><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;= +vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent= +">competent</span><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> + host. They have full-time sysadmins maintainin= +g their + infrastructure including the Mailman server. They are soon + upgrading to </span><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"http://wiki.list.org/Mailman3" + style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;text-decoration:u= +nderline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:tr= +ansparent">Mailman + 3</span></a><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">, + which means mailing lists would benefit from the improved + archive browser. I am not personally familiar = +with + HyperKitty, but the point here is they are a stable + non-profit entity who will competently maintain and + improve things like their Mailman deployment (a huge + improvement over the stagnant Sourceforge). It= + seems + that LF would be competent, neutral place to host dev + lists for the long-term.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">To + be clear, this proposal is only about hosting the + discussion list. The LF would have no control = +over the + Bitcoin Project, as no single entity should.</span></p> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;= +vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent= +">Proposed + Action Plan</span></p> + <br> + <ul style=3D"margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"> + <li dir=3D"ltr" +style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Ar= +ial;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent"> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0p= +t"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space= +:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Discuss + this openly within this community. Above i= +s one + example of a great neutral and competent host.Â&n= +bsp; If + the technical leaders here can agree to move to a + particular neutral host then we do it.</span></p> + </li> + <li dir=3D"ltr" +style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Ar= +ial;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent"> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0p= +t"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space= +:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Migration: + The current list admins become the new list admins.&Aci= +rc; + We import the entire list archive into the new host's + archives for user convenience.</span></p> + </li> + <li dir=3D"ltr" +style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Ar= +ial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent= +"> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0p= +t"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;color:rgb(34,34,34);vertical-align:= +baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/">ht= +tp://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/</a> +  Kill bitcoin-list and bitcoin-test.Â= + Very few + people actually use it. Actually, let's de= +lete the + entire Bitcoin Sourceforge project as its continued + existence serves no purpose and it only confuses + people who find it. By deletion, nobody ha= +s to + monitor it for a repeat of the </span><a + moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_i= +tem&px=3DMTc4Mzg" + style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;text-decoration:underline;vertical-= +align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Sept + 2014 hacking incident</span></a><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;color:rgb(34,34,34);vertical-align:= +baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> + or </span><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" + href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/646118/" + style=3D"text-decoration:none"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;text-decoration:underline;vertical-= +align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">GIMP-ty= +pe + hijacking</span></a><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;color:rgb(34,34,34);vertical-align:= +baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">?</span></p> + </li> + <li dir=3D"ltr" +style=3D"list-style-type:disc;font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Ar= +ial;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent"> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0p= +t"><span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;vertical-align:baseline;white-space= +:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">The + toughest question would be the appropriateness of + auto-importing the subscriber list to another list + server, as mass imports have a tendency to upset + people.</span></p> + </li> + </ul> + <br> + <p dir=3D"ltr" + style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><= +span +style=3D"font-size:14.6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:ba= +seline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Thoughts?</span= +></p> + <br> + <span +style=3D"font-size:14..6666666666667px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:b= +aseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Warren + Togami</span></span></div> + <br> + <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> + <br> + <pre wrap=3D"">----------------------------------------------------= +-------------------------- +</pre> + <br> + <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> + <br> + <pre wrap=3D"">_______________________________________________ +Bitcoin-development mailing list +<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@= +lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a> +<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/= +lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/l= +istinfo/bitcoin-development</a> +</pre> + </blockquote> + <br> + </body> +</html> + +--------------040402040300030006030804-- + +--lLuGiE0jNdLu5eTa9gxWt8ECWhsJCVsEP +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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