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author | Murch <murch@murch.one> | 2024-03-27 17:25:44 -0400 |
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committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> | 2024-03-27 14:57:04 -0700 |
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Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
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There seem to be a=20 +number of candidates that are willing and able, and there seems to be=20 +broad agreement among the current editor, the readers of the repository,=20 +and the contributors to the repository that additional help is desirable. + +I have seen some support and reservations raised for pretty much every=20 +candidate. A few weeks have passed since this topic was last active. So=20 +far, there seems no clear path forward. + +If we are all just in a holding pattern, perhaps we could timebox this=20 +decision process: how about we invite arguments for and against any=20 +candidates in this thread until next Friday EOD (April 5th). If any=20 +candidates find broad support, those candidates could be added as new=20 +editors to the repository on the following Monday (April 8th). If none=20 +get broad support, at least we=E2=80=99d be able to move on and try somethi= +ng else. + +I propose that all editors share the same privileges, especially that=20 +any editor may assign numbers to BIPs. If there is guidance to be=20 +provided on the process of assigning numbers and number ranges for=20 +specific topics, it should be provided by then. If the editors decide on=20 +a single number authority among themselves, that would also be fine as=20 +long as it doesn=E2=80=99t become a bottleneck. + +As Tim and Chris have suggested, it seems reasonable to me that=20 +assessment of the technical soundness can be left to the audience. BIPs=20 +have been published in the repository and set to the "rejected" status=20 +before, so it=E2=80=99s not as if adding a BIP to the repository is treated= + as=20 +an unequivocal endorsement or implementation recommendation. + +Cheers, +Murch + + +On 3/14/24 07:56, Chris Stewart wrote: +> I agree with Tim's thoughts here. +>=20 +> I think Jon Atack, Reuben Somsen, Kanzure or Roasbeef would all make grea= +t +> candidates. +>=20 +> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:55:52=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6 Tim Ruffing w= +rote: +>=20 +>> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote: +>>> The hard part is evaluating +>>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev +>>> skills (mainly for technical soundness). +>> +>> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with BIP2 +>> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the current +>> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors. +>> +>> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the +>> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal +>> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self- +>> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves +>> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility +>> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a +>> BIP, not by the editor. +>> +>> Best, +>> Tim +>> +>> +>> [1] BIP2 says: +>> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following: +>> +>> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas +>> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be +>> accepted. +>> [...]" + +--=20 +You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= +Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. +To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= +mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. +To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= +bitcoindev/52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef%40murch.one. + |