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| author | Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> | 2015-05-07 17:12:38 +0200 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-05-07 15:12:50 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase
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Certainly the +huge price spikes we've seen were not triggered by equally large spikes in +usage - it's speculation on that future. + +I quite agree that if people stop believing in Bitcoin, that will be bad. A +fast way to bring that about will be to deliberately cripple the technology +in order to force people onto something quite different (which probably +won't be payment channel networks). + + +> I'd argue that if we didn't force through a 20MB fork now, and we ran into +> major network difficulties a year from now and had no other technical +> solutions, that maybe we would get nearly universal agreement +> + +I doubt it. The disagreement seems more philosophical than technical. If +Bitcoin fell off a cliff then that'd just be taken as more evidence that +block chains don't work and we should all use some network of payment hubs, +or whatever the fashion of the day is. Or anyone who doesn't want to pay +high fees is unimportant. See all the other justifications Gavin is working +his way through on his blog. + +That's why I conclude the opposite - if there is no fork, then people's +confidence in Bitcoin will be seriously damaged. If it's impossible to do +something as trivial as removing a temporary hack Satoshi put in place, +then what about bigger challenges? If the community is really willing to +drive itself off a cliff due to political deadlock, then why bother +building things that use Bitcoin at all? + +--047d7b5d34fa9a2e5805157f579d +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blo= +ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c= +cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size:1= +2.8000001907349px">What gives Bitcoin value aren't its technical merits= + but the fact that people believe in it. </span></div></div></blockquote><d= +iv><br></div><div>Much of the belief in Bitcoin is that it has a bright fut= +ure. Certainly the huge price spikes we've seen were not triggered by e= +qually large spikes in usage - it's speculation on that future.</div><d= +iv><br></div><div>I quite agree that if people stop believing in Bitcoin, t= +hat will be bad. A fast way to bring that about will be to deliberately cri= +pple the technology in order to force people onto something quite different= + (which probably won't be payment channel networks).</div><div>=C2=A0</= +div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef= +t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"fon= +t-size:12.8000001907349px">I'd argue that if we didn't force throug= +h a 20MB fork now, and we ran into major network difficulties a year from n= +ow and had no other technical solutions, that maybe we would get nearly uni= +versal agreement</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I doubt= + it. The disagreement seems more philosophical than technical. If Bitcoin f= +ell off a cliff then that'd just be taken as more evidence that block c= +hains don't work and we should all use some network of payment hubs, or= + whatever the fashion of the day is. Or anyone who doesn't want to pay = +high fees is unimportant. See all the other justifications Gavin is working= + his way through on his blog.</div><div><br></div><div>That's why I con= +clude the opposite - if there is no fork, then people's confidence in B= +itcoin will be seriously damaged. If it's impossible to do something as= + trivial as removing a temporary hack Satoshi put in place, then what about= + bigger challenges? If the community is really willing to drive itself off = +a cliff due to political deadlock, then why bother building things that use= + Bitcoin at all?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div> + +--047d7b5d34fa9a2e5805157f579d-- + + |