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| author | Joseph Poon <joseph@lightning.network> | 2015-08-09 21:39:13 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-08-10 04:39:29 +0000 |
| commit | 0bce0025ac3c90579c613f60bedac4efafff37b5 (patch) | |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] What Lightning Is
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It might not go into too much detail with infrastructure, but +is a bit more UX focused. + +> A customer starts with eleven on-chain bitcoin. They want to pay for a nice +> cup of tea. Walk me through what happens before/during/after the +> transaction, assuming I have a lightning-enabled wallet on my iPhone and +> the tea shop has a lightning-enabled cash register. +> +> Assume neither the customer nor the tea shop are technically sophisticated +> -- assume the customer is using an SPV wallet and the tea shop is using a +> service similar to Bitpay. + +It's a bit of a tangent, but I see it as necessary that all Lightning +services/wallets support on-chain payments for a multitude of reasons, +including usability and long-term security/fungibility. For that reason, +the UX flow for payment after channels are established should not be +significantly different than Payment Protocol based payment flows (with +the only exception being a possible additional fee dialog box/alert when +the fees will be higher than expected/on-chain). + +-- +Joseph Poon + |