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| author | Jonathan Toomim <j@toom.im> | 2015-12-09 07:40:42 +0800 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-12-08 23:40:56 +0000 |
| commit | 0add2244a3a3e6216b23fa014e545d17722e092e (patch) | |
| tree | a9beffd9e62e29601efd1f094d4fb2b401b288c7 | |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system.
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diff --git a/e2/ddbd1163d1b7abd96de9243c4b872f832fee67 b/e2/ddbd1163d1b7abd96de9243c4b872f832fee67 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3c0199630 --- /dev/null +++ b/e2/ddbd1163d1b7abd96de9243c4b872f832fee67 @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +Return-Path: <j@toom.im> +Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org + [172.17.192.35]) + by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EA8EBFC + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Tue, 8 Dec 2015 23:40:56 +0000 (UTC) +X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 +Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) + by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CF71145 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Tue, 8 Dec 2015 23:40:55 +0000 (UTC) +Received: from [192.168.0.136] (1-64-179-042.static.netvigator.com + [1.64.179.42]) (authenticated bits=0) + by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id tB8NegM1003360 + (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); + Tue, 8 Dec 2015 15:40:45 -0800 +Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) +Content-Type: multipart/signed; + boundary="Apple-Mail=_A10A5A67-CCC9-41C7-9E52-86599668937F"; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 +X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 +From: Jonathan Toomim <j@toom.im> +In-Reply-To: <5666FD8D.8050201@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> +Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 07:40:42 +0800 +Message-Id: <2030FF3C-4F65-44E6-A9D5-9CD144179994@toom.im> +References: <CAAS2fgQyVs1fAEj+vqp8E2=FRnqsgs7VUKqALNBHNxRMDsHdVg@mail.gmail.com> + <20151208110752.GA31180@amethyst.visucore.com> + <CABm2gDpcek=u=Rpe68EMOq6M7Bji9J=s5VvoQWKRqaQDAP5kTw@mail.gmail.com> + <CABsx9T1wga3Tandoe2mVGSKdHJytHoc9Ko7HRm2SvJXABEFk9w@mail.gmail.com> + <5666FD8D.8050201@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> +To: Justus Ranvier <justus@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> +X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) +X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbWfa2BWLDr5TXb7fnIXvLtGjaCmIGJaMLKcewOaf482lRo8EVEHTSmC+ngjl//Rqk6wES1z9NOftG0X8cqam5V +X-Sonic-ID: C;bLOcGAWe5RGQEcgxU3XIUw== M;UJsuGgWe5RGQEcgxU3XIUw== +X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW + autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system. +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 23:40:56 -0000 + + +--Apple-Mail=_A10A5A67-CCC9-41C7-9E52-86599668937F +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=us-ascii + +Agree. This data does not belong in the coinbase. That space is for = +miners to use, not devs. + +I also think that a hard fork is better for SegWit, as it reduces the = +size of fraud proofs considerably, makes the whole design more elegant = +and less kludgey, and is safer for clients who do not upgrade in a = +timely fashion. I don't like the idea that SegWit would invalidate the = +security assumptions of non-upgraded clients (including SPV wallets). I = +think that for these clients, no data is better than invalid data. = +Better to force them to upgrade by cutting them off the network than to = +let them think they're validating transactions when they're not. + + +On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:55 PM, Justus Ranvier via bitcoin-dev = +<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> If such a change is going to be deployed via a soft fork instead of a +> hard fork, then the coinbase is the worst place to put the segwitness +> merkle root. +>=20 +> Instead, put it in the first output of the generation transaction as = +an +> OP_RETURN script. +>=20 +> This is a better pattern because coinbase space is limited while = +output +> space is not. The next time there's a good reason to tie another = +merkle +> tree to a block, that proposal can be designated for the second output +> of the generation transaction. + + +--Apple-Mail=_A10A5A67-CCC9-41C7-9E52-86599668937F +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: attachment; + filename=signature.asc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; + name=signature.asc +Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org + +iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWZ2p7AAoJEIEuMk4MG0P1EJcIAKuPmbrvCtRtfSfDEnWnYibv +1ldYAaUBe/AqxEpEHgTyf7/J/dZJVG8dLmEjxPCoUBZ0+UMYsKndZWmp8xQpW/4k +xhIbcaJWit5/HDZ2xlfqQ0+RFvJK0QRhkm1/J/NbJANzKflYnqs975gSUB6zSYvh +VPG1wxMosd2pkQDxqmzzBjG7d3aoqx27XKW4K0QiQin2h2IsPH2CanbyLOobHmMf +r+Lh8j1PlLgxpQPnDH0V4ZDEgw66bFvMP/OcY3j5Jz+ertWta+qmZiERNTzgYmVj +sGTcW2vOGYCeKFOuyeaTK+vazcIG6zSY0h237JeZQvDM5NGVUEPdXNrmanLgPfA= +=zGJQ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Apple-Mail=_A10A5A67-CCC9-41C7-9E52-86599668937F-- + |