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| author | Dave Scotese <dscotese@litmocracy.com> | 2015-09-28 15:16:42 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-09-28 22:16:45 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!
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diff --git a/7a/5525f27d0990c938fdf170d1839d150867147e b/7a/5525f27d0990c938fdf170d1839d150867147e new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57c9dcb89 --- /dev/null +++ b/7a/5525f27d0990c938fdf170d1839d150867147e @@ -0,0 +1,277 @@ +Return-Path: <dscotese@gmail.com> +Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org + [172.17.192.35]) + by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B6319F6 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) +X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 +Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com + [209.85.212.180]) + by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57456FD + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:16:44 +0000 (UTC) +Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so121145356wic.1 + for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; + Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject + :from:to:content-type; + bh=lNzqfo98ggnYaHPyp6zczEi07JRL8/PZ0DfcQlrzGFs=; + b=tBBnBsOFwJTqTjncsSYn9kHnjvNaLWB8+R0CXuLH+D120gKJPDmNoznaM5SatHtXPz + 1RFkZdg7Mga2zdnv81VrvK3fq73Ar+eT6r0z6iWwIerlrdhUFRorCYeXbZA+QqfGCV9T + /QIgZMda1GHeeaWGacECdvG1kUuVceuXKgeFbXiiVp9zcp/5jbDQ0zf/WisDVMKQLsOK + ZIetlmoeD15u8dHf+KRZsaX/+t4q6XuWewXwAvcqnF3KNFWUbggt5Y86VGU6Rn2mKy+3 + DkaOILhJ8lQL35Z/92OUBdVjWTb60a0JPCD170QanZj3Znn6fbUpLHbi0+TsxXJvp0Zi + cwfA== +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Received: by 10.194.249.34 with SMTP id yr2mr24195008wjc.90.1443478602899; + Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT) +Sender: dscotese@gmail.com +Received: by 10.27.211.132 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT) +In-Reply-To: <5609AD23.4070305@riseup.net> +References: <20150927185031.GA20599@savin.petertodd.org> + <CA+w+GKRCVr-9TVk66utp7xLRgTxNpxYoj3XQE-6y_N8JS6eO6Q@mail.gmail.com> + <CALqxMTFEme9gYHTAVVLtFc4JCK4hoBLXEhMCRdEXK9cWso_pUA@mail.gmail.com> + <5609AD23.4070305@riseup.net> +Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:16:42 -0700 +X-Google-Sender-Auth: jMm6HC2fCSSf3Z3QRgNsXp2B9as +Message-ID: <CAGLBAhf+9QozWETTd9MS8jP811f9AJxJiAk10orGK8-ZihahqQ@mail.gmail.com> +From: Dave Scotese <dscotese@litmocracy.com> +To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1b8d25de89c0520d60de2 +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, + DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham + version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY! +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:16:45 -0000 + +--001a11c1b8d25de89c0520d60de2 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 + +Why are they called soft forks when they are really hidden forks? Isn't +the point of a soft fork to prevent old clients from rejecting what they +don't have the code to validate? That seems dangerous. + +notplato + +On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +> Hash: SHA512 +> +> And still no movement on BIP 63... +> +> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.20 +> +> Apart from that, +> +> All my prior objections to XT still hold as expressed on this list. +> XT is not acceptable. +> +> On the topic of consensus: +> +> Reaching consensus, I hope, is something that developers can +> accomplish by refining and adjusting the BIPS and coming to agreement +> upon them. This should be something that can be done in a few months +> time, before the end of the year. +> +> Cheers, +> +> - - O +> +> Adam Back via bitcoin-dev: +> > I wonder what Gavin's views are, he's usually constructive, and see +> > if he'll include it in XT - I think he may have said he was +> > supportive. +> > +> > The rationale for soft vs hard-forks is well known, so I wont go +> > over them. +> > +> > Adam +> > +> > +> > On 28 September 2015 at 06:48, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev +> > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +> >> There is no consensus on using a soft fork to deploy this +> >> feature. It will result in the same problems as all the other +> >> soft forks - SPV wallets will become less reliable during the +> >> rollout period. I am against that, as it's entirely avoidable. +> >> +> >> Make it a hard fork and my objection will be dropped. +> >> +> >> Until then, as there is no consensus, you need to do one of two +> >> things: +> >> +> >> 1) Drop the "everyone must agree to make changes" idea that +> >> people here like to peddle, and do it loudly, so everyone in the +> >> community is correctly informed +> >> +> >> 2) Do nothing +> >> +> >> +> >> +> >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev +> >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> >> +> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing +> > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> > +> +> - -- +> http://abis.io ~ +> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization +> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" +> https://keybase.io/odinn +> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +> +> iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWCa0jAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuCUIALiRt6cE3b+9f+l9m6aMTjIR +> vTEIM/7B4dIZW9eatXmkxyd44uz5YoN93SlZtV62c90HCqqpFRBCfyXRyXzQ11E7 +> 0i70or5LnWDOqrD1bSsCEdrQxPIpAQnv101UHe3iyn/uHAVBiz/HfqvGMruNt0r1 +> 4sMecp+LedWpy6/p9c6iMHV1rhtYRfmRfJHj+9KlSn+in5PQKx2kieWqpfqjmlNs +> J/UNoLvRuF0YxDcqEdp2BAaI0s+NyXBo3YDi4R77U9YPRj/cYuWHh/yPKAvFW+2K +> 0d9NNuKSKEY/m4uW3ghPEJL7OxlGbOoNWFS3kcKYr+BanfsPTov7yHQhBuRBRPw= +> =hd0W +> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> + +--001a11c1b8d25de89c0520d60de2 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Why are they called soft forks when they are really h= +idden forks?<i></i>=C2=A0 Isn't the point of a soft fork to prevent old= + clients from rejecting what they don't have the code to validate?=C2= +=A0 That seems dangerous.<br></div><div><br></div>notplato<br><div class=3D= +"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:12 P= +M, odinn via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-de= +v@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfound= +ation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= +=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEG= +IN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA512<br> +<br> +And still no movement on BIP 63...<br> +<br> +<a href=3D"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D1083961.20" rel=3D"nor= +eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D108396= +1.20</a><br> +<br> +Apart from that,<br> +<br> +All my prior objections to XT still hold as expressed on this list.<br> +XT is not acceptable.<br> +<br> +On the topic of consensus:<br> +<br> +Reaching consensus, I hope, is something that developers can<br> +accomplish by refining and adjusting the BIPS and coming to agreement<br> +upon them.=C2=A0 This should be something that can be done in a few months<= +br> +time, before the end of the year.<br> +<br> +Cheers,<br> +<br> +- - O<br> +<br> +Adam Back via bitcoin-dev:<br> +<div><div class=3D"h5">> I wonder what Gavin's views are, he's u= +sually constructive, and see<br> +> if he'll include it in XT - I think he may have said he was<br> +> supportive.<br> +><br> +> The rationale for soft vs hard-forks is well known, so I wont go<br> +> over them.<br> +><br> +> Adam<br> +><br> +><br> +> On 28 September 2015 at 06:48, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev<br> +> <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-d= +ev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br> +>> There is no consensus on using a soft fork to deploy this<br> +>> feature. It will result in the same problems as all the other<br> +>> soft forks - SPV wallets will become less reliable during the<br> +>> rollout period. I am against that, as it's entirely avoidable.= +<br> +>><br> +>> Make it a hard fork and my objection will be dropped.<br> +>><br> +>> Until then, as there is no consensus, you need to do one of two<br= +> +>> things:<br> +>><br> +>> 1) Drop the "everyone must agree to make changes" idea t= +hat<br> +>> people here like to peddle, and do it loudly, so everyone in the<b= +r> +>> community is correctly informed<br> +>><br> +>> 2) Do nothing<br> +>><br> +>><br> +>><br> +>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev<br> +>> mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.o= +rg">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +>> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitc= +oin-dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation= +.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +>><br> +> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing<br= +> +> list <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-= +dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-= +dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org= +/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>- --<br> +<a href=3D"http://abis.io" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://abis= +.io</a> ~<br> +"a protocol concept to enable decentralization<br> +and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"<br> +<a href=3D"https://keybase.io/odinn" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h= +ttps://keybase.io/odinn</a><br> +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> +<br> +iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWCa0jAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuCUIALiRt6cE3b+9f+l9m6aMTjIR<br> +vTEIM/7B4dIZW9eatXmkxyd44uz5YoN93SlZtV62c90HCqqpFRBCfyXRyXzQ11E7<br> +0i70or5LnWDOqrD1bSsCEdrQxPIpAQnv101UHe3iyn/uHAVBiz/HfqvGMruNt0r1<br> +4sMecp+LedWpy6/p9c6iMHV1rhtYRfmRfJHj+9KlSn+in5PQKx2kieWqpfqjmlNs<br> +J/UNoLvRuF0YxDcqEdp2BAaI0s+NyXBo3YDi4R77U9YPRj/cYuWHh/yPKAvFW+2K<br> +0d9NNuKSKEY/m4uW3ghPEJL7OxlGbOoNWFS3kcKYr+BanfsPTov7yHQhBuRBRPw=3D<br> +=3Dhd0W<br> +-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> +<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">___________________________________= +____________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= +linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br></div></div> + +--001a11c1b8d25de89c0520d60de2-- + |