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| author | Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> | 2013-07-09 13:04:19 +0200 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
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I think you said it's on the +order of a few thousand, so nowhere near 30k I'd guess. Anyway I can mirror +it if we need to. + +The JavaFX packager is supposed to delete parts of the JVM that aren't +used. Is the 30-40mb figure based on using that tool or something else? +Note that you don't need to use the JFX widget toolkit to use the bundler +tool. + +We could also invest in a copy of JET, which does native compilation down +to self contained Windows binaries. It might create smaller bundles. But, +it's a proprietary tool and I don't know how reproducible its outputs are. + +For the auto update, is there an existing auto update framework that we can +modify to support threshold signed updates? I'm sure such a thing must +exist. The updates would download in the background and then the app can +just ask the user to restart it once the update is locally available, as +Chrome does. + + + +On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Jim <jim618@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: + +> Yes I would like to bundle a JVM as it would simplify the user +> experience. +> +> There are a few downsides though: +> + all the build packaging will need redoing and retesting. +> + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB +> (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org +> server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. +> The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of bandwidth per day. +> +> Currently there is no provision to update anything automatically. +> I would like to start having Bitcoin signed files that MultiBit can +> check +> and update (initially the checkpoints file, I18N files - NOT code +> at first because of the security implications). I think this needs to be +> in place before bundling a JVM so that users don't have to +> keep redownloading it. +> +> Having lists of all the artifacts signed and them having SHA256 hashes +> then makes it practical/ safe to start mirroring the code. I can see +> each mirror crosschecking the others that the SHA256s are correct +> for instance. This would increase the maximum number of +> downloads we could cope with. +> +> +> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: +> > Modern Java versions let you bundle the app with a stripped down JVM. I +> > don't know if Jim does that, but I think it's an obvious step towards +> > making MultiBit friendlier and easier to use. +> > +> > BTW I believe most secure browsers (Chrome, Firefox) have banned the +> > applet +> > plugin or severely restrained it anyway. So even if you install the JVM +> > and +> > plugin together there is not an issue. +> > +> > +> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Caleb James DeLisle < +> > calebdelisle@lavabit.com> wrote: +> > +> > > Java (Applet) security is indeed abysmal but lets compare apples to +> apples. +> > > With an applet some random guy with a website makes up some Java code +> and +> > > your browser automatically executes it. +> > > With Multibit you're only executing highly trusted code (so trusted +> that it +> > > handles your money). +> > > There has almost never been a Java exploit against secure trusted code. +> > > +> > > The idea of discouraging use of java apps just because people would be +> > > tricked into activating the browser plugin when installing the JVM is +> > > probably valid but Multibit is the only reasonably complete client +> outside +> > > of bitcoinqt and I think client diversity is more important than +> stamping +> > > out java. +> > > +> > > Thanks, +> > > Caleb +> > > +> > > +> > > On 07/08/2013 08:22 PM, Robert Backhaus wrote: +> > > > But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has made it an +> instant +> > > uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits are a +> > > dime a dozen. +> > > > +> > > > Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabling the +> > > browser plugin, but how many users will do that? +> > > > +> > > > Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet - yes, of course. +> > > Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on their +> computers by +> > > installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a compiled +> binary +> > > without a Java dependency, it is DOA. +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > On 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe <g.rowe@froot.co.uk <mailto: +> > > g.rowe@froot.co.uk>> wrote: +> > > > +> > > > I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the website to +> make +> > > it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It's a Java +> > > application serving HTML. +> > > > +> > > > It can be found here: https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim <jim618@fastmail.co.uk <mailto: +> > > jim618@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote: +> > > > +> > > > Yeah "email jim' was never going to work so I have +> > > > bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by: +> > > > +> > > > + having a dedicated Support page on the website +> > > > https://multibit.org/support.html +> > > > It has fixes and support notes for the most common +> gotchas. +> > > > + the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with +> > > > "Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas. +> > > > I've also written more help to cover as much as possible. +> > > > + Failing that people are directed first to +> > > bitcoin.stackchange.com <http://bitcoin.stackchange.com> +> > > > (I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword. +> > > > + Then finally users are directed to the github issues to +> search +> > > > existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in +> on +> > > there to +> > > > close +> > > > issues down as well as me. +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: +> > > > > Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it? +> > > > > +> > > > > I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie +> > > restrictions +> > > > > for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get +> > > support at +> > > > > the moment and "email jim" doesn't scale at all. +> > > > > +> > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen < +> > > gavinandresen@gmail.com <mailto:gavinandresen@gmail.com>> +> > > > > wrote: +> > > > > > I vote "yes" to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the +> > > recommended +> > > > > > desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier +> with +> > > it. +> > > > > > +> > > > > > If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back. +> > > > > > +> > > > > > +> > > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > > > > > +> > > > > > Build for Windows Store. +> > > > > > +> > > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > > > > > _______________________________________________ +> > > > > > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > > > > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto: +> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +> > > > > > +> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > > > > +> > > > > +> > > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > > > > +> > > > > Build for Windows Store. +> > > > > +> > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > > > > _______________________________________________ +> > > > > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > > > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto: +> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +> > > > > +> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > -- +> > > > https://multibit.org Money, reinvented +> > > > +> > > > +> > > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > > > +> > > > Build for Windows Store. +> > > > +> > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > > > _______________________________________________ +> > > > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto: +> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +> > > > +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > > > +> > > > Build for Windows Store. +> > > > +> > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > > > _______________________________________________ +> > > > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto: +> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > > +> > > +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > > See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics +> > > > Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from +> AppDynamics +> > > > Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. +> > > > Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! 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+> > +> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk +> > _______________________________________________ +> > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> +> -- +> https://multibit.org Money, reinvented +> +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics +> Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics +> Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. +> Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! +> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> + +--047d7b45048271d1f304e1121f4f +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">How many downloads/day do we see currently? I think you sa= +id it's on the order of a few thousand, so nowhere near 30k I'd gue= +ss. Anyway I can mirror it if we need to.<div><br></div><div>The JavaFX pac= +kager is supposed to delete parts of the JVM that aren't used. Is the 3= +0-40mb figure based on using that tool or something else? Note that you don= +'t need to use the JFX widget toolkit to use the bundler tool.</div> +<div><br></div><div>We could also invest in a copy of JET, which does nativ= +e compilation down to self contained Windows binaries. It might create smal= +ler bundles. But, it's a proprietary tool and I don't know how repr= +oducible its outputs are.</div> +<div><br></div><div>For the auto update, is there an existing auto update f= +ramework that we can modify to support threshold signed updates? I'm su= +re such a thing must exist. The updates would download in the background an= +d then the app can just ask the user to restart it once the update is local= +ly available, as Chrome does.</div> +<div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail= +_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Jim <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= +=3D"mailto:jim618@fastmail.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">jim618@fastmail.co.uk</= +a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= +x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes I would like to bundle a JVM as it would= + simplify the user<br> +experience.<br> +<br> +There are a few downsides though:<br> ++ all the build packaging will need redoing and retesting.<br> ++ it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB<br> +(I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the <a href=3D"http://= +multibit.org" target=3D"_blank">multibit.org</a><br> +server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish.<br> +The <a href=3D"http://multibit.org" target=3D"_blank">multibit.org</a> serv= +er maxes out at 1 TB of bandwidth per day.<br> +<br> +Currently there is no provision to update anything automatically.<br> +I would like to start having Bitcoin signed files that MultiBit can<br> +check<br> +and update (initially the checkpoints file, I18N files - NOT code<br> +at first because of the security implications). I think this needs to be<br= +> +in place before bundling a JVM so that users don't have to<br> +keep redownloading it.<br> +<br> +Having lists of all the artifacts signed and them having SHA256 hashes<br> +then makes it practical/ safe to start mirroring the code. I can see<br> +each mirror crosschecking the others that the SHA256s are correct<br> +for instance. This would increase the maximum number of<br> +downloads we could cope with.<br> +<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> +<br> +On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br> +> Modern Java versions let you bundle the app with a stripped down JVM. = +I<br> +> don't know if Jim does that, but I think it's an obvious step = +towards<br> +> making MultiBit friendlier and easier to use.<br> +><br> +> BTW I believe most secure browsers (Chrome, Firefox) have banned the<b= +r> +> applet<br> +> plugin or severely restrained it anyway. So even if you install the JV= +M<br> +> and<br> +> plugin together there is not an issue.<br> +><br> +><br> +> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <<br> +> <a href=3D"mailto:calebdelisle@lavabit.com">calebdelisle@lavabit.com</= +a>> wrote:<br> +><br> +> > Java (Applet) security is indeed abysmal but lets compare apples = +to apples.<br> +> > With an applet some random guy with a website makes up some Java = +code and<br> +> > your browser automatically executes it.<br> +> > With Multibit you're only executing highly trusted code (so t= +rusted that it<br> +> > handles your money).<br> +> > There has almost never been a Java exploit against secure trusted= + code.<br> +> ><br> +> > The idea of discouraging use of java apps just because people wou= +ld be<br> +> > tricked into activating the browser plugin when installing the JV= +M is<br> +> > probably valid but Multibit is the only reasonably complete clien= +t outside<br> +> > of bitcoinqt and I think client diversity is more important than = +stamping<br> +> > out java.<br> +> ><br> +> > Thanks,<br> +> > Caleb<br> +> ><br> +> ><br> +> > On 07/08/2013 08:22 PM, Robert Backhaus wrote:<br> +> > > But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has ma= +de it an instant<br> +> > uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits= + are a<br> +> > dime a dozen.<br> +> > ><br> +> > > Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabli= +ng the<br> +> > browser plugin, but how many users will do that?<br> +> > ><br> +> > > Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet - yes, of c= +ourse.<br> +> > Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on their com= +puters by<br> +> > installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a compiled= + binary<br> +> > without a Java dependency, it is DOA.<br> +> > ><br> +> > ><br> +> > > On 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe <<a href=3D"mailto:g.rowe= +@froot.co.uk">g.rowe@froot.co.uk</a> <mailto:<br> +> > <a href=3D"mailto:g.rowe@froot.co.uk">g.rowe@froot.co.uk</a>>&= +gt; wrote:<br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've beefed up the supporting documentatio= +n for the website to make<br> +> > it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It'= +s a Java<br> +> > application serving HTML.<br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It can be found here: <a href=3D"https://githu= +b.com/jim618/multibit-website" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/jim618/= +multibit-website</a><br> +> > ><br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim <<a href=3D"mail= +to:jim618@fastmail.co.uk">jim618@fastmail.co.uk</a> <mailto:<br> +> > <a href=3D"mailto:jim618@fastmail.co.uk">jim618@fastmail.co.uk</a= +>>> wrote:<br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yeah "email jim' was ne= +ver going to work so I have<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bumped up MultiBit support (a bi= +t) by:<br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + having a dedicated Support pag= +e on the website<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://= +multibit.org/support.html" target=3D"_blank">https://multibit.org/support.h= +tml</a><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It has fixes and su= +pport notes for the most common gotchas.<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + the in-app help also now has a= + 'Support' section with<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Troubleshooti= +ng' and the commonest gotchas.<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I've also writt= +en more help to cover as much as possible.<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + Failing that people are direct= +ed first to<br> +> > <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.stackchange.com" target=3D"_blank">bitc= +oin.stackchange.com</a> <<a href=3D"http://bitcoin.stackchange.com" targ= +et=3D"_blank">http://bitcoin.stackchange.com</a>><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(I have a notificat= +ion set up for the 'multibit' keyword.<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + Then finally users are directe= +d to the github issues to search<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing or raise a= + new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on<br> +> > there to<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0close<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0issues down as well= + as me.<br> +> > ><br> +> > ><br> +> > ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 P= +M, Mike Hearn wrote:<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Sounds like we have consens= +us, Saivann, shall we do it?<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I'm also going to ask T= +heymos again to relax the newbie<br> +> > restrictions<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > for the alt client forums. = +It's probably too hard to get<br> +> > support at<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the moment and "email = +jim" doesn't scale at all.<br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ><br> +> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:2= +4 PM, Gavin Andresen <<br> +> > <a 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