From: CurtAdams@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 28 1999 - 11:00:45 MST
In a message dated 11/28/99 3:02:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JGanong@webtv.net writes:
>> The situation resembles that of somebody with advanced diabetes,
>> although this kind of ketosis won't kill you directly.
>
> The condition which damages diabetics is called ketoacidosis; it is not
> the same as ketosis. The underlying metabolic defects in a diabetic
> system lead to a metabolic derangment characterised by loss of pH
> control in the body; any system not plagued by these defects can adapt
> to ongoing ketosis.
The cause of the metabolic pH derangement *is* the production of ketone
bodies (i.e. ketosis) which are acidic. Too much acid exhausts the ability
of the kidney to maintain acid-base balance and down you go. (Stryer's
Biochemistry, 3rd edition, p 641-642)
It's not a problem with starvation ketosis because the body doesn't make
that many ketone bodies. I suppose it could be a problem with Atkins-style
ketosis (more food = more ketones) but I've never heard of it; given the
medical
community's take on Atkins that makes me think it's not a problem.
> Quote resumes:
> You can lose weight like crazy on this plan. You will also be physically
> weak, often nauseous, and you will smell like nail polish remover.
> *****************************************
> These problems tend to result from dehydration & electrolyte imbalance,
> which can also be induced by exercise; in both cases, rehydration &
> supplementation are fairly simple.
Part of this is from dehydration and electrolyte imbalance,
directly caused by the ketosis and presumably treatable.
But part is from low blood sugar, which weakens glycolytic
muscle and the brain, and part from the weird chemicals
that come out of the process like acetone, plus whatever
the sulfur ends up as.
>> If you go on the diet and then off it, you will gain back all you lost.
>This is one of the most frequently levelled charges against this type of
>diet. It happens to be correct, but the same is true of *any* reducing
>diet.
True as far as I know. Controlled comparisons of ketotic diets with non-
ketotic diets showed they were similar in both amount lost and regained.
Reduced hunger was contentious; studies differed, as I recall.
>> If you stay on it, you'll subject your body indefinitely to a metabolic
>>regime it's manifestly not adapted for.
>Ketosis is only to be maintained until the goal weight is reached. At
>that point, carbohydrates are gradually reintroduced into the diet until
>ketosis ends & weight loss stops.
Dr. Atkins may have changed his recommendations. He was originally
recommending lifetime borderline ketosis. As a short-term weight loss
method, the Atkins diet doesn't worry me much. As I understand, though,
Atkins still recommends very-low-carb lifetime diets and that could cause
trouble with vitamin deficiency or with all those sulfur-containing amino
acids.
>As to atkins-as-quack, this holds a certain amount of truth as well.
>While I believe he got the low-carbohydrate thing mostly right (as well
>as the utility of antioxidants & other nutrients), he advocates some
>practices (ex: chelation therapy) that have been pretty thoroughly
>disproven
When I refer to Atkins as a "quack" I don't say he's necessarily wrong, but
that he hasn't performed ethically or scientifically adequate tests. He may
actually be right, but if so it's by dumb cluck luck.
>Still, the low-carb meme does have some almost cultish adherents; on
>the usenet group alt.diet.support.low.carb, people on different low carb
>diets argue strenuously over whose is the One True Way. I try to think
>of it as a chance to see memetic evolution in action.
Part of my frustration with Atkins is that I think low-carb diets truly
deserve
investigation. They're probably useful for short-term weight loss; some
good scientific work would delimit the use of it and perhaps even find
ways around the disadvantages.
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