From: Mark Phillips (clay8@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Aug 14 1999 - 10:25:20 MDT
Admittedly, I am joining this thread *in medias res*, but it seems to me
that Molloy has the better (more verisimilitudinous) point(s). Surely, it
is *not* just "Ahh, Politics and Theism---run away, run away." It is that
*religion-as-so-far-historically-manifested* AND
*politics-as-so-far-historically-manifested* are, both cognitively (i.e.,
conceptually) AND socially, highly entropic, and, indeed, ludicro-pathetic
*games* (*games* in the sense of a hybrid combination of meaning(s)
combining Berne/Harris, Von Neumann/Morganstern, and Wittgenstein).
As for Politics, please make a close study of Public Choice Theory in
general, and, in particular, please read Anthony de Jasay's truly excellent
treatise, *The State* (reprinted, with a new preface, recently by
LibertyPress out of Indiana). Jasay clearly and masterfully demonstrates
that the institution *The State* does indeed have an *inherent*
agenda/trajectory toward authoritarian/totalitarian socialism, precisely as
Molloy suggests. Need I even argue that this would be highly problematic
(i.e., dangerous if not catastrophic) in the context of nanotech, AI/SI, and
pico-, femto- and hyperspatial-technologies? Now, I am open to slight (or,
as some might see them, not-so-slight) revisions/modifications to pure
libertarian "anarchism" (see the works of Louis O. Kelso, for instance), but
it is surely the case that the Nation-State as we know it is inherently an
illegitimate, oppressive, expropriative, and bullying monstrosity which
needs to be radically modified, if not, indeed, more-or-less scrapped
altogether. Any broad-and-deep reading of history coupled with economic and
political/jurisprudential theory leads virtually inevitably to such a
conclusion. See also Randy Barnett's excellent *The Structure of Liberty*
(Oxford U. Pr., 1998)
If we keep playing the *politics-as-usual* **GAMES** within
*political-institutions-as-we-now-know-them* (the institutions themselves
being ossified *games* of decades and centuries past), then we *may* be in
for some deep doo-doo in the not-too-distant-future.
As for religion and theism....Pul-leeeze, give me a frickin' break! Surely,
organized religions are, for the most part, little more than rackets. (With
the exception, maybe, of "free thought"---as in "Think for Yourself,
Schmuck!"--RAW). One need not be "religious" to be "spiritual", and one
need not be exactly "spiritual" (depending upon what one means by this
latter term) to nonetheless be *philosopically contemplative*, concerned
with metaphysical (more-or-less literally meta-physical, if this is
coherent) issues, (meta)cosmological issues and
(meta)normative/axiological/jurisprudential issues, etc.
As for theism in particular, while I must give respectful credit to Mortimer
J. Adler's fine attempt to come up with a coherent cosmolgical argument for
"God" and thus give the term "God" some sort of specific meaning (instead of
the *de facto* ultra-vague notion of some sort of "ultimacy" or "ultimate
entity")---see his book *How to Think about God, an Argument for the 20th
Century Pagan* (HarperCollins)---surely, again, anyone who takes the time to
really survey the literature, will come out more-or-less atheist. See not
only George Smith's classic, *Atheism: The Case Against God*, but,
especially, Michael Martin's *Atheism: A Philosophical Defense* (Temple U.
Pr., 1989), and the late J.L. Mackie's *The Miracle of Theism* (Oxford U.
Pr., 1986). Also important here is the late Robert Wesson's *Cosmos &
MetaCosmos: An Argument for a Non-theistic Non-Materialism* (Open Court Pr.,
1986).
I'm all for "spirituality" in the sense of, say, "(meta)cosmological
appreciativeness/contemplativeness" coupled with an extropian/eudaimonistic
benevolence and goodwill-toward-others, but one can *HAVE* all this and yet
be utterly secular and (more-or-less) atheistic.
Just my 2 (or maybe 3 or 4) cents, guys and gals!
Ciao for now!
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