From: Joe E. Dees (joedees@bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Jul 20 1999 - 22:40:19 MDT
Date sent: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:12:07 -0700
From: Spike Jones <spike66@ibm.net>
To: extropians@extropy.com
Subject: Re: buns vs brains
Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> > Don't get [phil osborn] started. Most women seem to have an
> > underlying...[snip]
>
> > ...rant, rant, rant - you can fill in the blanks from here, as I know that
> > most
> > men have had these experiences...
>
> This whole thread went off in a direction I never intended. Ah, the magic
> of a web discussion! {8^D Perhaps I should have specified I meant
> chimps. Less emotional baggage [that we all carry] from unsuccessful
> relationships, broken hearts, etc. Humans are too complicated.
>
> That said, what I am really looking at here is the implications of mating
> behavior to evolution, the future of the race, etc. Consider the first
> humans vs the very similar chimps. The first humans likely had the
> mutation of a straight leg: they could lock the knee and walk on two
> legs much more easily than the chimps. This mutation freed the hands
> to manipulate objects. The critical factor is that being able to manipulate
> objects caused the smarter protohumans to have a survival advantage
> over dumber protohumans, whereas it is not clear to me that the smarter
> chimps have any real reproductive advantage over dumber chimps.
>
Don't forget opposable thumbs (allowing grasping and making tool
manufacture and use an evolutionary possible positive to develop),
improved speaking systems (tongue/jaw/larnyx configurations
permitting the pronunciation of deeper vowel sounds, such as o and
u, and the subsequent proliferation of possible distinguishable
sounds to which could be attached meanings), and neoteny (which
allowed the bigger brains to finish growing postbirth (after passing
through a vaginal canal which would still manage to be
pleasureable for the male to fuck later so he would continue to
hang around to help provide for his offspring, while allowing the
pelvic girdle to continue to efficiently perform its architectural
functions).
>
> I am way out of my field here, so biologists, please help me out.
>
> This factor would cause the humans to gradually become smarter,
> as a group, whereas the chimps went right along eating termites
> and doing their chimp things. Isnt that kinda the way it works?
>
> Nowthen, fast forward to present day. Humans have been intelligent
> now for at least 50k years. We have developed the technologies
> critical to our survival. What I am driving at with the whole brains
> vs buns thing is that there may have been subtle influences that
> slightly favored brains, but this influences were subtle indeed.
>
> Now however, it seems society has created a system which gives
> an *enormous* reproductive advantage... to being stupid! Our
> welfare system encourages overbreeding by those who cannot
> take care of themselves, overbreeding by those who put their
> faith in a church that urges them to be fruitful and multiply,
> overbreeding by those who are drug addicts, etc. [Natasha
> *almost* went here I think with her carefully worded comments
> on teenage pregnancies.]
>
> Those who you and I might agree are the most fit for the future
> reproduce only modestly, if it all. My burden is this: all those
> influences that shaped humankind in past millenia were subtle.
> Modern influences by comparison are overwhelming and the
> implications to our species profound. spike
>
>
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