From: Joe E. Dees (joedees@bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu May 27 1999 - 14:52:05 MDT
Subject: Re: Guns [was Re: property Rights]
To: extropians@extropy.com
Date sent: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Lee Daniel Crocker" <lcrocker@mercury.colossus.net (none)>
Organization: Piclab (http://www.piclab.com/)
Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> > To support my point I state this: The guy I was just referring to who
> > stated he would rather kill a police officer (who most likely has a wife
> > and family) or other law enforcement officers than have his gun taken
> > away SHOULD have his license revoked for saying that and have his
> > weapons taken away as he is talking like a potential killer and is
> > clearly a threat to the general public from my perspective.
>
> First they argue that they only want to take guns from criminals and
> dangerous psychotics, now you recommend removing rights for thought
> crimes and /potential/ criminals? Do you honestly believe that your
> broad knowledge of psychology and extensive interview with this man
> qualifies you to make the judgment that he is unfit to exercise the
> same rights you and I have? In my judgment, he merely said that he
> was willing to use those rights for precisely their intended purpose,
> i.e., to defend himself from those (such as the police) who invade
> his home with the intent to forcefully deprive him of his rights and
> the means to exercise them.
>
He announced his willingness, even his eagerness, to shoot people
in order to protect his right to possess the very gun with which he
would be shooting these people. I tend to believe people like that; I
also tend to believe that they are paranoid, defensive, and overly
agressive. All he has to do is mistake someone's intentions
ONCE, and he'll shoot them dead; he also would seem to be
exactly the sort of trigger-happy boomjunkie who would be likely to
make such a mistake first, and ask his lawyer to take questions
later. The other person's life would not enjoy the benefit of the
doubt with him. You can have him as a neighbor; I don't want him
around me.
>
>I'd have no problem at all with having
> this man as a neighbor or business associate; he speaks his mind and
> is willing to stand up for what's right. And I have nothing to fear
> from him because I have no desire to interfere with his choices. I
> wouldn't buy a used bike for $10 from Sarah Brady or her followers--
> they've shown that they clearly lack the personal integrity to be
> trusted with anything, least of all my life and liberty.
>
> Peace is not a goal that can be worked toward; justice is the goal,
> and peace is the natural consequence of justice.
>
> --
> Lee Daniel Crocker <lee@piclab.com> <http://www.piclab.com/lcrocker.html>
> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past,
> are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified
> for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC
>
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